Richard Lloyd Jones: I'm Richard Lloyd Jones. You're tuned into Thinking with Somebody Else's Head. We originate from the International Society of Analytical Trilogy in São Paulo, Brazil, with the intention of shining the light on the many problems facing us early in the 21st century. Plus, and this is maybe more important, letting you know about the science of Analytical Trilogy which provides a basis for solving them.
I just wanted to give a brief thumbs up to one of the newer programs on the Positive World Radio Network, where our program also runs. Fellow Canadian Bruce Stewart is the host of Citizen at Large. That's a smart, savvy show that looks at Canadian issues and citizen political and activist movements. I like what Bruce is doing a lot, and hopefully his program can be part of helping develop a Canadian identity that moves us beyond just supporting the powerful in creating war, economic imperialism, and multinational corporate domination.
We're very concerned about all of this down here, what with all that's happening in Libya and Japan especially. So let's turn our formidable Analytical Trilogy lens to going to the root cause of our problems and revealing more of the science Norberto Keppe has developed to solve them. Beyond pseudo-solutions, today on Thinking with Somebody Else's Head. Our website at HealingThroughConsciousness.com has a lot of resources for you who want to find out more about Norberto Keppe's work, which seriously provides a lot of wisdom and knowledge about the real psychosocial reasons for the mess we find ourselves in.
You won't find anything comparable anywhere, I don't think. No one has such a vast grasp on the roots of our problems like he does.
JonesHealing at gmail.com is our email. Love to hear from you. You know, I'm well aware of the resistance that comes up whenever someone suggests they have an answer for all the problems facing us. I get that.
I've worked in the media for a long time. I know the journalistic code that has us strive always to be balanced in our reporting, which often means inserting a small paragraph towards the end of the article that serves to nullify all that was reported in the article leading up to that point. I know about the producer's desire for heat, not light, as a way to boost ratings.
I know the lens of rampant cynicism through which media people often filter any discussion of idealism and virtue. These are criticized every day in subtle and not-so-subtle ways. But I feel we in the media particularly must go beyond that now. The weeks of images we saw of oil pouring from the split pipes in the Gulf of Mexico, combined with these escalating horror images from Reactor No.
4 in Japan that are showing us much more than human tragedy and environmental devastation. What these events are showing us is that this way of behaving on the planet has hit the wall. We are seeing, I believe, the inevitable results of our madness. Our madness in believing that a society based on materialism and exploitative economics could ever bring prosperity. Our madness in placing our hopes for a modern civilization on technological products that produce toxicity and pollution.
Our madness in buying the promise in energy produced by splitting atoms to heat uranium to insane temperatures just to boil water, and producing waste that's so toxic that our great-great-great-great-great-great-grandchildren will still live in fear of it. There are so many problems that these recent technological disasters bring to us that it's easy to get overwhelmed. And in situations of overwhelm, we mostly ignore those deeper problems of how we replaced spirituality and ethics with materialism and profit, of how we buried virtue and idealism beneath mountains of cynicism and irony and smartness, where the old values became passé and square.
But, my friend, the promise of the twentieth century has vanished, at least the way we've been living it. Our problem is a deep one now, a problem that strikes deep to the question of what it means to be human and to be a part of the universe. I think it's time to go beyond saving species and protecting ecosystems, although those worthy activities must continue.
We must look a little or a lot deeper, actually, inside the human being and the society he and she have created in their image. And this is where Keppe's science of Analytical Trilogy can be of so much help. To begin that discussion today, it would be interesting to look at society's development as not being materialistic or economic or even technological. Dr. Cláudia Bernhardt Pacheco, our real drive in society has been esoteric.
This esoteric history shows that there's been a drive throughout history, throughout humankind, especially in Europe, for some sort of perfect world again, like we had at the origin of humanity. That there's been a huge drive, and this is actually maybe, because there's a book written called Guns, Germs, and Steel. A guy, Jared Diamond, wrote this book about how guns and germs and mechanization have actually driven society forward.
To me, this is completely minor. The real movement for humanity has been this movement to have the third millennium, the new age, the fifth. You know
Cláudia Bernhardt Pacheco: what, Jones? Even those who are seen as totally materialistic, they have their esoteric beliefs. And we could say that there are two streams, two main streams going on. One is, we could name it as the stream of Judeo, the old Judeo prophets and the Christian stream that bases themselves in the teachings of the old prophets, Jewish prophets, and the Jesus Christ teachings.
And there is another stream who competes with this, which also believes that they are going to organize the world at their own image. And that some kind of entity, of spiritual entity, would have given them or to them the power to control the planet. So we could say that there are two main streams and they are fighting and they don't show up their true intentions, which are the domination of the planet.
So the Judeo-Christian true stream, we could say that they base themselves in Jesus' teachings. Therefore, they don't want social power, they don't want economic power, they are not after that. They are not after temporal power, they are after a spiritual kingdom, which as a consequence will be extremely developed. But that understands that God, a cosmic God, only God, is beauty, truth and goodness.
And there is this other stream that is more dualistic. They think that good and evil must live at the same time and that there is a God of goodness and there is another God or something, a representation of evil forces that are very powerful and that must live with them. So, like more Zoroastrian philosophy. So these two are in competition, and they are ending in the same funnel.
Richard: Yeah, going
Cláudia: into the same funnel. Funnel, yeah. To come out the same end. Because now the time approaches. So humanity will have another era. They think the era will be theirs, this new world government.
Richard: New world order.
Cláudia: And the new world order under their auspices. And there is another vision which are more shared by Christians and Jewish and Islamic and some other idealistic people that believe we will have a spiritual era. And it will be like worshipping or living with or in resonance with the God, beautiful truth and good that we believe in.
Richard: Isn't there even some idea in esoteric literature that the militaristic, economic, materialistic people must bow before the
Cláudia: spiritual leadership?
Richard: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
This is something that was where some of the tribes of Jacob tribes, they will have to get together in order to build this kingdom of God. But everybody feels or has this intuition that the world cannot continue the way it is.
Cláudia: So either we change our mentality for better or the world would not survive. And this we are in agreement because either those of the New World Order and the Jewish, Christian, Islamic people, which are the monotheistic side, we understand that this cannot continue the way it has been. This is obvious. So, 2012 may be an important turning point date in history, and we see many catastrophes growing up, and we see many astronomic changes going on, and environmental, climate change, etc., economic
Richard: crisis, etc., etc.
So, we
Cláudia: are facing... Problems in humanity. But we have this light on the end of the tunnel. Because we understand that, I understand that if humanity wakes up for this new science, this new technology, which is absolutely in accordance to all philosophies, science and theology of the past that are all the truth that we had in the history of our world. So Keppe did a very important synthesis.
And if people start studying Keppe's science and paying attention, I don't see any other option left to us other than embracing the science and applying it.
Richard: Could you talk about, because this is, I think, essential to Dr. Keppe's work, the sense that we have knowledge, we are born with a...
Cláudia: Inner sense of the truth. Yes. We have the inner sense of the truth.
We intuitively, everybody knows that there is something very, very wrong with the organization of our society and with our powerful people and with the laws and this should not be. And there is something very heavy going on and we will see some strong clashes that will happen. But we also foresee that there is something much bigger coming beyond this crisis. And here I am now today with you, Jones, bringing this hope to our listeners.
Richard: This is fantastic.
Cláudia: To have more people with this light, with this clear knowledge because the opposite of the darkness or the dark knowledge would be what? We bring the light. We bring the light that is inside of ourselves and we would like to lit the light and the truth that is already inside the ethical people in the planet.
Richard: Fanning the flames that are almost dying, fanning those dying embers so that they come
Cláudia: back to life.
With
Richard: oil, so they can become
Cláudia: lamps that will lead the planet. Our
Richard: Keppe motor, what I like about this Keppe motor is because it's getting power from a whole different element. It's using an electrical current or a battery pulse and then pausing to capture this energy that exists in the essential energy field. And this one principle, to me, is bringing, is reintroducing the essential energy of God back into science.
So this is why it's so significant. And this is what Dr. Keppe's science is doing.
Cláudia: And what I find wonderful, Richard, is that people can discuss that Dr. Keppe's ideas is a philosophy. He can be right. He can be wrong. People don't understand what he says. They can name it as a guru or they can say he is creating a new religion.
But when he oriented the new physics and the engineers to create a motor based on the new physics discoveries, it's totally scientific and that works. And this is something that no physics understand or engineer. They cannot understand how this works, where this comes from, but it works. But it works. And it can save up to 90% of energy. So it takes 10% from battery or the current, electric current so far.
They still cannot produce, but they will produce. Everything leads us to believe that they're going to produce a total free motor from electric energy.
Richard: Outside the electrical grid. All it needs is something to get it started.
Cláudia: And so far, all that they've been able to find is the electrical current or battery current is something to get the pulse. Sometimes solar energy. But even though if we consider, okay, so we will take this electric 10%, but the rest 90%, 80%, 70%, whatever, where is this energy coming from?
So, Keppe shows that there is this energy in what they call space or vacuum, or some Chinese name it as key energy. So, people brought this concept even from their religion, from their transcendental philosophies, whatever. So, this came from the ancient developed civilizations.
Richard: All martial arts is based on this. At that basic level, there's this understanding, particularly in the East, of this
Cláudia: essential prana, mana.
Yeah, and the Eastern medicine is very much based on this energetic centers and truth and vortexes
Richard: in
Cláudia: the organism, and we are all in energy.
Richard: It does not give us a new perspective.
Back in a moment. You are listening, of course, to Thinking with Somebody Else's Head on the Positive World Radio Network.
And we're discussing today, or going to discuss with Dr. Cláudia Bernhardt Pacheco, all the disaster that's happening on the planet. Boy, this is really something. I was talking to some students this morning about how they were doing. And one of them said, well, not so good, actually. This situation in Japan is very worrying. Of course, as we're recording this now, you'll probably hear this a little later, but as we're recording this, they just had another blast and fire at the Japan plant.
I think there are four nuclear reactors now demonstrating radiation leaking 100 times the normal level, which they assure us is not fatal, like you're not going to die from that, as if that's some consolation. So I think we really, as we discussed in our last radio program, Thinking with Somebody Else's Head, trying to find out the crisis in science is that we still think that energy comes from material.
That's one of the huge crises. And there are some solutions to this, big solutions. And this is very, very important for us to talk about today. So Cláudia Bernhardt Pacheco has joined me again. And let's see, Cláudia, if we can give an overview here for people that helps to give them a sense of hope. Because when I talked to my students about this today, it was very quiet in the room, you know, as we were discussing and talking.
And you can see that there's a lot of feeling underneath this. Of course. But people don't know what to do. They don't
Cláudia: have any idea. The media is not helping us at all. No, on the
Richard: opposite. They just sell lies.
So, Richard, anything that happens in the planet affects everyone. We are a whole. And this energetic perspective is absolutely already proven by science.
Cláudia: So whatever happens in Japan is affecting physically, planetarily, socially, economically and psychologically, spiritually speaking. Every human being in all the corners of the planet.
Richard: Is feeling this in some way.
Cláudia: Everyone should be feeling, even though some people even don't know what is happening, they feel it, they get it through a kind of resonance,
Richard: a kind of radiation, you see? A kind of radiation.
It's like we're anesthetized, Cláudia. If we don't feel, it's because we're like, we've just been to the dentist, you know, and people have that freezing and you can't feel anything but you could be chewing your tongue to pieces.
Cláudia: And Keppe explains this in his book New Physics also because everything works in double, in two. Like the helix of the DNA are two.
The energy are two. Two components that work complementarily. So our brain should work in two. Reason and feeling. Reason and love together in order to understand, in order to know things in depth, to have the true science, the true knowledge. But we don't do that. Our brain is prepared not to think with love. So we are led and we are brainwashed to use the intellect to things that are absolutely nonsense outside of reality.
And this is totally alienation, lack of feeling, lack of love. If you pay attention, Richard, Love and spirituality, intuition, was being taken away from civilization gradually. So the use of the intellect is being done to mathematics, to calculations, to money, to fantasies, to delirious thoughts about finances and economy. But all the soul, all the love, all the feelings, all the intuition of humanity, the common sense is being lost.
Could
Richard: we talk a little bit about that further, Cláudia? You said something that really struck me as you were speaking, that we were being sort of led to consider things as rational that are completely out of reality.
Cláudia: Irrational, totally. Like this nuclear energy, the nuclear power energies, they are totally outside any possible reality. Everybody sits on thousands of atom bombs waiting that humanity will be destroyed.
And this destruction already started. So people are like, oh, what is this? Come on. Every reasonable, sensible brain would see that this would happen sooner or later. A device, a scientific device working with the need of thousands of centigrade. It's totally artificial kind of production of energy.
Richard: Like a megalomania.
Cláudia: Totally crazy. Totally anti-natural. Totally anti-natural. The planets, they work so smoothly. Everything in nature is so smooth.
If man don't disturb its functioning. And that's what we are doing now. We are disturbing everything.
Richard: What are we doing putting nuclear power plants anywhere on the planet? But in an area, especially with an earthquake zone. I
Cláudia: mean, this
Richard: is further stupidity.
Cláudia: Further stupidity. And you see so many further
Richard: stupidities. That must happen. It's a must. It's a logical mind. A common sense that exists inside of each one of us.
This idea that we can build a nuclear power plant and never have a problem with it. No, it's all contained. We've got technology. Yeah, all controlled. And what do they say in front, you know, the,
Cláudia: the failure of the systems required to keep things cool. Well, okay. So we've got this incredible thing that gets things a thousand degrees centigrade. No, but it's okay.
We have fail safe systems and pros to keep it cool. It is the same craziness
Richard: of
Cláudia: doctors when they cut off organs in order to prevent further diseases, thinking that this will do nothing to the organism, that will not be missing, or giving powerful poisons. They are called therapeutic drugs to treat the patients, but they create so many collateral effects that they kill the patient before the disease.
So this is all crazy. So you know something, Richard. You said about if there is any hope. We have everything here now, all the solution. We have everything to start recovering. I don't know what needs to happen before humanity opens the eyes. That we have all that we need now in this planet to have an incredible improvement in all areas. I don't know what is missing so humanity can understand.
And I understand that they can be like disbelieving or like skeptical that any human from the planet could discover such a science as Analytical Trilogy, as Dr. Keppe, that could be such a help to all humanity. If we started now studying and applying this science, we would have such an enormous shift for better in the planet with no major investments at all.
So I understand that people don't even want, like it's something outside of their imagination that something can be possible. But we know many people that are listening to us, they are already awakening. A lot of people send us back emails and saying, wow, but what a science. My God, why the powerful people don't use this immediately? Why haven't
Richard: I heard about this?
Cláudia: Because the powerful are very pathological. They have an enormous psychopathology in themselves that is unconscious, There is unknown, even unconscious, to the peoples. Let me
Richard: give you an example of it, Cláudia. I know you want me to read something from Dr. Keppe's book. And I want to stress what Cláudia is saying about the fact that there is a science that has solutions.
Because look at how they're talking. I'm just quoting from this story you sent me yesterday on the decline of the honeybees becoming a global phenomenon. And just listen to how they're talking now. The Swiss Bee Research Center is saying we need to get, here's the solution, the solution between quotes, we need to get smarter about how we manage these hives, but perhaps more importantly, we need to better manage the landscape beyond.
Cláudia: And what about the agrotoxicos, the toxics?
Richard: And the cell phone towers.
Cláudia: And the cell phone towers.
Richard: Genetically modified crops and...
Cláudia: Which are the major, major cause for all of that happening.
Richard: So when we read this, and I feel this with my students, I feel there's kind of like when you talk about these stories, they look with a glazed look in their eye like, well, there's nothing we can do about that. So I just want to have my own
Cláudia: life.
So when you go to a doctor and you have a symptom, so they give you a drug, then you start having another symptom because of the drug. So you go back and you say, I have this result, I have pain in my stomach, my heart is not working well
Richard: anymore, so I have insomnia, or I'm getting depressed, or I'm getting anxiety, whatever.
Headaches, yeah, whatever. Yeah, whatever. And then they start, okay, so you have to take this to cut off the symptom of that previous one. The side effect from the
Cláudia: previous drug. So you're taking two, and then you have the side effects of two drugs, and then you go there and say it's not working. So I'll give you the third. And this is what's happening in the planet.
And the more they give the pseudo-solutions that are upside-down inverted solutions, totally getting further and further away of the common sense and the reality because minds don't think normally, energetically normally speaking. The minds of people, they are not working. They are half-working or they are not working at all because if you don't use the two proper forces in the brain, of the left and the right side of the brain, your brain will not work.
You will not understand. You will not have the true knowledge. And this is the problem. And the minds of people, you pay attention in the academics mostly or the people who are in charge of finances. They seem not to be human because they just do calculations and crazy calculations. And they just think about money. You see what is happening in Japan. They are speaking about trillion of yens and they are speaking about billions of dollars and they are speaking about this, when thousands and thousands of lives are lost already and we are in a danger of blowing up the planet.
And this will reach everybody. So what is this to think about money? Money should serve humanity. Money should be used to serve humanity, not humanity to serve money. So this is an inversion that I understand that, okay, so the craziest, the person, the less he will admit that they give no value to their beings any longer. They just give value to what they own.
And this is absolutely schizophrenic and catastrophic because nobody, nobody in a common sense, in the reason, they will be happy thinking that their value is due to their money, to their bank account or to what they own and not to who they are. And even if they don't admit that eternity is here and now already and that we will live forever and we will live without material goods for a long time at least, right?
So if they don't want to admit this, they should at least see the natural consequences of this. Because if we think about eternity and transcendence, things will get even worse to those who don't consider that we as human beings, we're not our creators, we are not here because of our decision. So we are here to be living in accordance to natural laws, and we do not do that.
So I would like you, Jones, to read an excerpt of the book, The New Physics Derived from a Disinverted Metaphysics. If we do not disinvert the way we think, we will not disinvert science. We will not disinvert practical life. Everything, all fields are inverted because our mind is inverted. Our thought is inverted. The thought of the the scientists, the thought of the philosophers, the thought of the the politicians, the thought of the rulers of the world, and our thought is also inverted upside down.
That's why we agree with them with their crazy decisions. So they say you should live like this and we agree. So read this excerpt here and then later we will speak a little bit about the new physics that bring the solution for energy to the planet.
Richard: Good. I'll read this now. We have to take a break in a minute, but do you want me to read this paragraph here?
Cláudia: We could think about
Richard: take a break now, and then you start with the reading. Take a break. I was reading in the New York Times today that there's a time about workers straining to take control of the blast and fire at the Japan plant and thinking there's no consideration in there at all. But this technology is totally inverted and totally wrong. That never enters the conversation, so you're on to something totally essential.
Cláudia. Let's come back in just a moment. Thinking with Somebody Else's Head is on the Positive World Radio Network, a very hot topic today because it touches to the essence of what it's going to take us to solve our myriad problems on Earth. Back in just a moment. We are back. Thinking with Somebody Else's Head on the Positive World Radio Network. Richard Lloyd Jones with Dr.
Cláudia Bernhardt Pacheco. More information on our site, by the way. I want to let you know about that. If you're intrigued by what we're talking about, I think you should be. I really do.
Lots of resources there and lots of leads for you to explore more of this amazing science. That Norberto Keppe has put together called Analytical Trilogy.
Cláudia wants me to start our third segment here with an extract from Keppe's incredible book called The New Physics Derived from a Disinverted Metaphysics, a new breakthrough in physics and in science. It's a paragraph in the book where he says, Neither the deductive method of philosophy nor the inductive reasoning method of scientific experimentation are enough because of the human failure to perceive reality.
Not even a method combining both would be satisfactory because of the same issue, human pathology. Not only does scientific deductive reasoning explain reality, but primarily the mind of the individual as well, which necessarily must be oriented according to the laws of nature, so that harmony with reality is established. Most people only use their beta waves to discharge emotions. Few use their alpha waves to understand and deal with the true essentials of life.
Well, for those of us who are sleeping during the class on the beta and alpha waves, you're talking about, he's talking here about the lower level waves and the more transcendental waves linked to the alpha energies.
Cláudia: Yeah, beta waves are those waves where people are more agitated and they are more projective, paying more attention to the outside world and not concentrated in their inner vortex, the inner vibration.
Alpha waves, it's calm, it's subtle, like the energy of the space, the energy that works capimotor, the energy that can be used and is being used already. Works through nature, everywhere in nature you see this. Yes, this energy that cannot be measured, this energy that cannot be charged by the powerful, this energy that is free, given to us by God, is the energy of the universe.
Some cultures already spoke about that, Hindu cultures, Oriental cultures. So this, some people call it prana, more or less, it's same, chi, etc. But you understand, this is the energy that holds all the beings, material, immaterial beings, human,
Richard: minerals, plants, everything. So this is the energy, the foundation of the universe. And this energy is free. That's why the powerful don't want us to continue developing...
Us being Norberto Keppe and Analytical Trilogy... And
Cláudia: also the researchers that are looking for the utilization of this energy because they want to measure what you spend in order to charge you as they do with water, as they do sometimes even with air. You know that when the first time I went to New York City, I had to pay $2 per day because of the air I would breathe in New York City.
I could not believe in that. But I had to pay this, was charged in the bill that they give in the hotel bills. So I understand that this continues probably to happen, because they want to take money from the people in all means possible. But you see here, Keppe says, that deduction way of thinking, which is starting from the abstractions and going to the practice, is not enough.
Because you imagine whatever you can in your mind. You can have all the ideas, crazy ideas. And you can create the imagination of these black stars and black holes and collateral dimensions and collateral parallel universes. This is
Richard: all made up by human minds.
Cláudia: So if you cannot prove this through induction or through science, you cannot do anything. Because even experimentation, they do with animals to prove man's behavior.
And this is also crazy because we are not animals. We work differently. So in reality, we should follow and obey and be very humble and obedient to natural laws. And that's what Keppe did in his science. And he came to the conclusion that our mind is not working. Of course, he's a psychoanalyst, but the mind of the people is not working correctly.
Not only the psychotic minds, not only the neurotic minds, but the normal so-called minds. And we are everything like in a not only half, but upside down which means we are away from reality that's why we get sick that's why we have symptoms and the more the civilization goes ahead and develops the more diseases develop with it. Because
Richard: if we're inverted we
Cláudia: are inverted and civilization
Richard: is inverted it doesn't help us to be going faster and faster and faster in the wrong direction.
I mean this is obvious
Cláudia: right we're destroying more the more civilized the place the seeker. And
Richard: this deductive reasoning is then, is the capturing in a true state, if we were not inverted, we would capture correctly universal concepts and be able to apply them in our lives.
Cláudia: Imagine the other civilizations that are in, like in the universe, the cosmic life is very profusa.
Profuse, yeah, it's like
Richard: everywhere, it's like diverse.
Cláudia: So now they are starting to speak about this even officially, that they know there are civilizations. And when people say, why don't you speak about it? And I say, but we have spoken about this already. Reagan spoke about this. Gorbachev spoke about this. British government spoke. The problem is that we don't know how to deal with this.
So the problem is not that they don't know how to deal. The problem is that those more advanced civilizations, they are not using and following the same upside-down values of this planet. So in those planets, they don't have the same powerful people, crazy, as we have here. In those planets, they give value more to life than to money or to material things.
In those planets, democracy is a truth. Spirituality is a reality. So there is not even imagining such a thing as attacking other people, the fellow man or aggressing, torturing
Richard: and having wars and bombs. So
Cláudia: this is so outside of their mentality. They are so much more developed and their science is like in the same path as their mentality, as their philosophy. And here is the same.
So, we see only disgraces in the planet, unnecessary disgraces. And let me say this and repeat this. Totally unnecessary disgraces created by the attitude, pathological attitude of the crazy people in power, which is supported by the inverted mind and crazy mind of human beings of this planet.
Richard: Common people. Phenomenal when you put it this way. Phenomenal.
Cláudia: But this is the way, Richard.
This is the way. And we should, in order to have a more advanced civilization in 10, 20, 30 years, we would have a paradise in this planet if we would shift, if we would accept to give up this crazy theomaniac, megalomaniac, narcissistic, envious, materialistic, arrogant, irrational, delirious attitudes. Egotistic, narcissistic, egocentric, unethical, evolutionary. So we should be ethical. We would have to be ethical.
We would have to have Christianity here in this planet for the first time ever to apply the laws of Jesus Christ and the true religions and those real leaders or these real thinkers and developed beings besides Jesus. Like Buddha, like Confucius, like many, many other people, Gandhi, that were real human beings. So if we would give up our egotism and
Richard: our selfishness, our
Cláudia: pathologies, then we would know
Richard: what it is to
Cláudia: live in a paradise in a very short period
Richard: of time.
I asked my students recently in a class, Cláudia, what do you think would be the values of a true society? And they said the things that you're talking about, the disinverted things, a life of Christian values, of being good to each other, which is not just Christian. It's everywhere, this idea of the golden rule, treating others well, equality, justice, loyalty, kindness. You know, all the beautiful lists.
And I said, where do those values come from? How do you know about those values? Why do you pull those values out? And you don't say that the true society would be torturing and aggressive and polluting. Why don't you say those things? And they were talking about that. And at the end of the class, we were coming to the conclusion that because these true...
Values are inside us, but we don't follow, we don't do. And
Cláudia: what do they say? They are like necessary evils. We need to do this, otherwise we cannot survive.
Richard: We won't progress.
Cláudia: So this is totally inverted. The reason we will not survive, it's because we use the unnecessary evil, the destructive evil, totally unnecessary. Like Richard, going to that subject of the power plants, we have means, easy means, to save from 70% to 90% of energy at least in our motors
Richard: now.
Our Keppe motor.
Cláudia: Our Keppe motor. If this was known and applied and developed by engineers in all nations, we would have such a development in a short time, incredible, that we could substitute the polluting destructive energies that we are using in the moment. And people would have food enough for everybody. People would have housing housing education to everybody and we would get back to natural energies in the planet.
Even brains would work better because of this this electric electric magnetic kind of energies are also disturbing our thoughts our thoughts. So we would have this if some people would start wakening up and telling this to your fellow man while there is
Richard: time. I think there's a real desire to believe Cláudia but we are so conditioned not to believe in this goodness.
The information. The information is kept from the human being. And I want those listening to really understand this. This is a crime against humanity that this information is not being spread and spread out to other people because this has answers immediately. We're not talking about 10, 15 years. We're talking about immediately. If this technology of the Keppe motor, which saves 70% to 90% Listen to this.
So far. So far. So far.
Cláudia: 70% to 90%. With chances to save even more.
Richard: Oh, of course. You know
Cláudia: why? Because we have three engineers working to develop this. Just three. Imagine a team of engineers working around the world. My
Richard: God. With government money to research, corporation money to research, to develop new devices, new tools, new machines. I tell you, if you're listening and you're not feeling a little bit frustrated.
I
Cláudia: understand they will say it's too good to be true. This is propaganda. I understand that you can think like that. But if I were in your place, I would give a chance to study a little bit more. Study a little bit more of this trilogical science, which is a magnificent work of a scientist in this planet. I understand sometimes, Richard, that God interferes.
When civilization is close to the end, he brings someone. He sends someone, like a messenger. He always has done this with many civilizations, with many countries, nations. He sends some people that are his messengers. And I understand that Keppe has a role to play, and he's playing this role. And so there must be a reason for him to be here in the end of the civilization and bringing a science that can bring correction to all the mistakes of all the other sciences in the planet.
Richard: That touches me very deeply. We are back in just a moment. Thinking with Somebody Else's Head is on the Positive World Radio Network, a very illuminating and powerful program today. Back in just a moment. We are back. It's Thinking with Somebody Else's Head on the Positive World Radio Network, looking at what can we do you know we look at this situation my gosh we see such an increase in earthquakes in storms in problems.
Some guy was saying recently Cláudia that the oil under the surface of the water acts as like a shock absorber for the tectonic plates and we're taking that oil up which is creating more instability so we could even see that our earthquake situation. It's not a natural disaster. It's the consequence of human activity. Even this.
Cláudia: And you see, Richard, that the more advanced in terms of academies and courses, specializations, the scientist is, the more stupid he seems to be, to become.
Because as you said, any reasonable mind understands that if you take away the oil from inside, a lot of damage will happen. It's
Richard: there for a reason. It's not for nothing, you
Cláudia: know. And this is not happening alone. Everything is together, has consequences.
Richard: Cláudia wants me to read another paragraph from Keppe's amazing book. Just reading this book, we can feel better. Of course, we have to take action based on what we hear today, too.
But Dr. Keppe says in the new physics derived from a disinverted metaphysics, the disinverted, correct study of physics makes it possible to understand and improve life, because it lays the groundwork for everything that exists. It explains why one individual progresses more than another, why one nation surpasses the others, why a science develops and why certain groups and individuals take control of humanity.
There is quite a similarity between the way man functions and the motion of the atom and even machines. The underlying principles of one apply to the others. So
Cláudia: that's how Keppe arrived to this discovery of this Keppe motor. Observing a human mind, he was able to study more in depth the physics because of the the concept of the being a to a potential
Richard: act and potential.
From this is the
Cláudia: same is the same thing that is followed in physics. So Aristotle brought this idea that we go from potence, potential to act. Like this Darwinian kind of mentality. We develop from a possibility to enact. And not that we are pure action, that our essence is pure energy, and we can, through our neuroses, diminish, distort, destroy, deny our pure energy and our pure act.
Richard: In other words, in true metaphysics, disinverted metaphysics, we are complete beings. We are not becoming
Cláudia: since the since the very beginning, the very beginning, since the when everything
Richard: from the
Cláudia: everything when the
Richard: spermatozoid enters the egg, ok, from the time we are conceived, yeah, since then
Cláudia: we are perfect beings, complete, complete. What develops in in between quotes is the size of the body and the organs, but as a being we are complete.
Richard: And that is already predetermined by the way too,
Cláudia: the size and the everything is ruled, where
Richard: the organs
Cláudia: are going to be, everything, even the mother cannot interfere. You know,
Richard: we talk about this a lot in metaphysics, which comes first, the chicken or the egg, you know,
Cláudia: this old. So God came the first, we can
Richard: finally answer the question, they come together.
Cláudia: You know, it's like a complete thing. Yes. So God is the first and then the rest. But people are so much arrogant, so much theomaniac. They don't admit an idea of having a God above themselves. Yeah.
Richard: I was talking about this in the class. Are we creators or are we created? And this is an interesting thing to talk about just in sort of artistic terms even.
But then I said, did we create ourselves? Well, of course we didn't create ourselves. So we're not in our fundamental basis. We're not creators. We are created. We are made. We come from something else. And so I said, if that's true, then maybe even our creativity is not ours. It's something we capture. We're like radios, not radio stations. We're set up to capture this energy.
Cláudia: And the motor is the same. The same thing. The motor is the same. The motor does not create energy. The motor captures the energy from the space. Utilizes. But if the functioning of the motor is based on an inverted metaphysics, an inverted concept, so it will not function in a total power as it could. So that's what Keppe discovered in human mind and in physical motors.
Richard: Explain that a
Cláudia: bit more, Cláudia. What is this? Two components of energy, two energetic components of this essential energy. So there are two components. In our regular motors, they use the maximum half of this power, and the rest is wasted. So that's why we have so weak motors and taking energy from matter and not from the space.
Richard: And heating up all the time,
Cláudia: overheating.
So this is very complicated to explain now.
Richard: Especially in radio.
Cláudia: But the principle of this motor is that energy gives, like, has, produces, or matter is a byproduct of energy and not the other way around. And this is very, this must be studied in the new physics, so people will understand that you can have a motor without the use of material energy.
Well,
Richard: let me jump on that point, because that maybe is a point we can understand, because we are destroying the planet now, trying to get more material to get energy.
Cláudia: So you can have a motor being moved, not by oil, not by coal, not by atomic energy, not which are the particles, uranium.
Richard: Yeah, uranium
Cláudia: is from particles splitting the atoms, yeah. Even
Richard: wind power, solar
Cláudia: power?
Wind power, even solar. We can combine wind and solar power with this motor in order to have even more efficiency. Efficient,
Richard: more cleaner, sustainable.
Cláudia: Yeah, we can have that and we do have that. So that's the good news. Now we have technology enough to save, as I said, And 70 to 90, if not more, percent of energetic sources.
Richard: Now, this work that's happening here is formidable.
For our resources, what we're doing here, it's really extraordinary because we work very long hours, very hard. You and Dr. Keppe have been doing this for a long time. The rest of us who have joined you, I've been here 10 years. Says or saw, some of these other people have been here 20, 25 years, 30 years, working with you to try to make human beings more conscious of these discoveries in science, in psychopathology and sociopathology.
It's a science of psychosociopathology, a science that allows us to analyze what's going on inside the human being and the society he's created and provide solutions for that. And there are books, there are tv programs, there are radio programs, there's a lot of material that people can begin to to find out more about. But
Cláudia: it's neurotic minds can't stand reading or this ideas or listening these ideas, yeah, but the more normal minds they feel they feel good.
As you said, it's a well being that brings an inner well-being, and so it's so harmonious because the two sides of the brain are working when you read those things. But if you have a too neurotic mind, you will not feel good on the opposite, because it will show better the inversion and the pathologies of this mind. And they will feel, like, uncomfortable.
They will disagree. They will, like, arrogantly say no. It's not like that. Imagine, what is this? So the most neurotic minds can't take, can't cope with this normal kind of reasoning, more human kind of reasoning, even more developed, more advanced in terms of superiority. You understand?
Richard: Yes, of course, because when you're more linked to these more essential values, Cláudia, you must be capturing more of this energy.
The mind must be clarifying, must be working better. People
Cláudia: who are too much engaged in our present society that had achieved high positions in the scale of the institutions. These institutions may be political, may be educational, scientific, artistic, whatever, social institutions. They tend to be more crazy because they tend to be more like upside down. So they their brains were more distorted, they have accumulated wrong distorted ideas, and they don't they are not ready to give up.
Sometimes they studied 30 40 50 years, all the all their works are based on that,
Richard: all their certificates, they're
Cláudia: all their power, their prestige is are based on that. So how come they will give up all this to start all over again in a in a right way?
Richard: Cláudia, the basis of science is the study of truth. The search for truth.
Cláudia: This is what science is.
Yeah, it should be.
Richard: Good heavens. So you listening, if you're interested in the truth, you have to be open to where the truth might be. You can't just say, well, it's not there because I learned something different.
Cláudia: So our hope is that there are such a kind of human beings still left in the world. People who don't know about trilogy, but they are not condoning with the mistakes or the new intention, unethical intentions in society, they are generally put, ostracized, put aside.
They're persecuted. They have such tremendous difficulty to cope with economic, financial difficulties because their positions are at stake. But there must be a lot of people like this in the world to wake up.
Richard: Yeah, there are. And you can feel it resonating. If you listen to what Cláudia is saying, as this happened to me, 10, 11 years ago, when I started to read Dr.
Kempi's work, I found a deep resonance inside. And let me just use one final quote here at the end of our program from his, it's one of my favorite quotes from this new physics, where he says, planets, stars, comets, and galaxies move inside an almost absolute energy, which determines all existence, and which ancient scholars called ether, a kind of fluid found in the vacuum of space.
In any case, this energetic force is much more than that. To give a concrete example, it is as if there is an incredible net made of steel sustaining the universe. Yes,
Cláudia: thanks God.
Richard: Thanks God. And now, you know, Richard,
Cláudia: what I'm going to do in a while. I'm going to participate in a Skype conference because in Germany and in Switzerland, where people are manifesting against these nuclear plants, there is a group of scientists wanting to develop a research center in Germany and in Switzerland and starting manufacturing right now these motors.
So they are not wanting to wait for the decisions of governments, etc. They are wanting to take action by themselves. So we will have a Skype conference with them, and they are already advancing. Here in Brazil, we are advancing. So those who stay behind, pay attention. We are developing. These are good news.
Richard: Yes, indeed they are. KepiMotor.com, the website for more. Claude, I'd just like to repeat what I was saying at the beginning, that I think what's caused the enormous worry of the world following the nuclear disaster is something deep that maybe we're not fully conscious of yet.
And that is a profound realization that the orientation of modern science we follow unquestioningly has led us to a brick wall. We see the enormous destruction and potential for even greater destruction staring us in the face. And we think, or maybe we only feel deep down, don't have the courage to voice yet. We think, look where all this has led us. We've followed the sexy promise of modern science.
It's led us to microchips and flat screen TVs and I this and I that. But at the same time to smart bombs and pre-salt layer oil extraction and the fear of nuclear radiation for tens of thousands of years. And all this time we've been assured confidently that all was safe, that the guys and girls in the know had it all under control.
Now we see that's not true. This is a big moment of consciousness for human beings. This is Thinking with Somebody Else's Head. I'm Richard Lloyd Jones. Thanks a lot for joining us. We'll be with you next week on the Positive World Radio Network.
