Richard Lloyd Jones: I'm Richard Lloyd Jones, and this is Thinking with Somebody Else's Head. Dogma, a principle or set of principles laid down by an authority as incontrovertibly true, meaning incapable of being questioned or doubted. In the 15 and 1600s, there was the beginnings of a movement against dogma that burst forth from the scientific studies of such giants as Copernicus and Kepler, Newton and Galileo, names we know well even if we understand little of their proposals.
But this much we can understand. The scientists of the time were engaged in replacing untestable dogmas with scientific scrutiny and experimentation. The dogmas they were opposing, of course, were from the religious institutions of the time, large and powerful churches not opposed to burning or drowning those who disagreed with them. Scientific experimentation, then, was a good thing that helped move us from superstition and irrationality.
But there is a danger, too, when experimental science is elaborated independently from the knowledge that was available in the past. It creates another intransigent dogma. We'll go beyond the dogmas of modern science today on Thinking with Somebody Else's Head. I'm Richard Lloyd Jones. Our programs are streaming on the Stop Radio Network. Do make sure you include us on your smartphone or tablet through the free TuneIn app.
I don't know that we consider dogma as a component of modern science. Dogma, we usually think, is the territory of religion, with its ideas of infallibility and blind faith. Modern scientists are often highly dismissive of religion as having no relevance in our modern world, culminating in the derisive denunciation of faith and belief in the writings of Richard Dawkins and Christopher Hitchens, for example.
But it's not difficult to see this religious intransigence that has been so protested also present in modern science. Just try to be a serious scientist questioning HIV as the cause of AIDS, and see your research grants dry up and your academic articles censored. Biologist Rupert Sheldrake was taken off the main TED Talks channel recently just for daring to question some basic dogmas of science.
And another area this is appearing in today is the vaccine debate. The recent measles outbreak in the U.S. Has rekindled the emotional debate about vaccines. There are even death threats popping up on mother websites between opposing views. Just try to go without vaccinating your children. As a friend of mine experienced recently here in São Paulo when she refused compulsory vaccinations for her newborn daughter.
She didn't get burned at the stake, mostly because this is Brazil and people here are a lot more accepting of cultural, philosophical, and religious differences. But if that had been the U.S. Or Canada, the allopathic big pharma fear and hate machine would have kicked in big time. The medical mafia, as Dr. Langteau has called it. No debate. Believe or be excommunicated. And what is the difference from the medieval religion's intransigence that the scientific revolution was fighting against?
As Dr. Norberto Keppe wrote in his amazing book, Universal Man, what we should notice is that when science, philosophy, or theology are separated from each other. An environment of intransigence and censorship is created that leads to fast decay. This is exactly what happened beginning in the 14th century when experimental science was elaborated independently from the knowledge that was available in the past.
And Keppe goes on to say that the intransigence in the medieval religious institutions produced further intransigence, this time scientific. And he says the Middle Ages were as unilateral as are the present times. And especially, he goes on to say, since the world has experienced two successive periods of intolerance, theological and now scientific, there is no dialogue and hence no balance achieved. Isn't that a fascinating consideration?
Let us go into this today through recent experiences with the Keppe Motor. Keppe Motor Inventor says her sauce when Thinking with Somebody Else's Head returns in just a moment on the Stop Radio Network.
We can tell how unbalanced a person is by how much they idealize. Norberto Keppe. Disinverting the human being and society.
Cláudia Bernhardt Pacheco: Any area of endeavor, it's very much stopped by this concept of money, the importance of money. This is the biggest inversion in society.
Richard: In the mid-1980s, Norberto Keppe wrote an extraordinary book that redefined economics and gave us hope.
Sofie Bergqvist: And I understand now that this book, Working Capital, is really the solution. It gives people enormous freedom to grow and to do even things more beautiful and better for the community and better for everybody.
Richard: Working Capital is Norberto Keppe's provocative and prophetic view of how the economy has been usurped by the 1% who've tricked the people into a form of slavery. Now we have the means to set ourselves free. We
Cláudia: are free in economy to work, to do what is good, beautiful and truthful for humanity and not to feed the envy, the megalomania, the theomania of a few individuals or powerful people.
Now, back to Thinking with Somebody Else's Head with Richard Lloyd Jones and Dr.
Cláudia Bernhardt Pacheco on the Stop Radio Network.
Richard: Thinking with Somebody Else's Head is on the Stop Radio Network, and it has been a while since we've done a program. And maybe it's appropriate because I started this program with our guest today and now he's helping me to restart the program because we've been away for a while doing many other things and it's been difficult to produce programs.
So Cesar Soós has joined me. Cesar, it's a terrific pleasure to have you here. Oh, the pleasure is all mine, Richard. I know you're very, very busy. Cesar has been living in China for the last year. I think you've been back and forth, right?
Cesar Soós: Yes, one year now.
Richard: And now you've been here for two or three months, and you're getting prepared to go back again.
And I know that when you're here, you are totally busy.
Cesar: Yes.
Richard: You're doing tests on new Keppe motors. You're having many meetings with Dr. Keppe and Dr. Cláudia Pacheco to fortify yourself to go forward and also to bring them up to speed on the developments in China. Yeah. And so I appreciate you taking the time from a very busy schedule to join us today.
Cesar: Well, it's really my pleasure, I have to say.
Richard: I was missing that. Yeah, I missed it too. Thinking with Somebody Else's Head, the program name comes from a conversation I had with you when I first came to Brazil, so you've been instrumental in this program from the beginning. Can you give us like a quick overview of what's happening in China? The Keppe motor is a new magnetic resonance motor, am I calling that correctly, that is being produced in China in quite high quantities for ceiling fans and soon many other applications.
Can you just bring us up to speed what's happening? What are you doing there? You're not going to movies, you're not hanging around in bars, so what are you doing? Yes,
Cesar: this is a long story, you know. In 2008, I and a colleague, Roberto Frascari, we were developing some experiments trying to understand better the new physics written by Dr. Norberto Cappi. Dr.
Norberto Cappi, as your listeners may know, probably, Dr. Norberto Cappi, he discovered the phenomenon of inversion. And soon afterwards he applied this discovery in the field of physics. And he arrived at a completely new physics which he named the disinverted physics. It's a new physics but disinverted. And I and my colleague we were trying to make experiments that could prove this new physics, this inverted new physics.
And then in 2008 we simply came up with a different kind of motor working with the principle of resonance. Regular motors they do not work with resonance. They work with AC or DC current and they are simply pushed by the magnetic field made inside the coils by the electric current coming from the grid or the battery. In our case we make the the rotor the magnetic rotor we put like permanent magnets and we make these permanent magnets interact with the field in a different way, not being pushed or attracted but to enter in a state of resonance.
And according to physics resonance of a system implies Maximum efficiency. And we simply arrived at making one motor working in resonance, which always achieves the maximum efficiency.
Richard: Okay, and why China for developing this motor? It
Cesar: had been very difficult to develop this motor here in Brazil, you know. Brazil is a country that is not investing too much in technology or in the industry now.
We are undergoing recession. And China is the opposite. China is growing very much, even in terms of technology.
Richard: They don't seem to know anything about the word recession, do they?
Cesar: No, they don't think about that. It's going forward.
Richard: They work, work, work, work. You know,
Cesar: they are buying the world. And also, they are looking for what they find the best in the world.
Richard: It wasn't just Brazil, though. It was many other countries that didn't want to develop the motor or were resistant to develop the technology, right? Not just in Brazil, but there were problems, as I remember, in the United States and Germany
Cesar: and Sweden. Many countries were interested but wouldn't go that next step. What happened there? What's the process where Germans didn't want to develop it but the Chinese did?
How did that work? The difference, Richard, I see the Western countries, like Germany or United States, Europe in general, they are too much theoretical lately. They want first to have a completely mathematical modeling of the motor before doing something. The Chinese are the opposite. They do something, they see it works, then they come with the mathematical modeling. That's the difference. If you go into a university in Germany, it takes 10 years to study the motor.
Then you'll come out with one product in the market. Chinese is the opposite. There was the only way, the only place in the world we could launch a product that works and that was tested. It is not a tested product. The product was tested for one year continuously, and now it's ready for the market. So
Richard: in the case of Germany, for example, you use Germany, they didn't want to develop it because it didn't fit any of the models that they had.
Is that correct?
Cesar: Yes. Now you are touching a very sensitive point, because Dr. Keppe's theory in this inverted physics foresees the existence, it predicts the existence of energy in a vacuum. And this energy in the vacuum could be tapped somehow for use in home appliances or whatever.
Richard: Yeah, because we think the vacuum is nothing, right? There's nothing there.
Cesar: Yes, although this idea is changing little by little, but it's been very difficult to make a definite experiment to prove the existence of this energy in the vacuum and especially that it can be used for practical terms.
And when we did our motor based on that as I told you the motor works with the principle of resonance we made the motor enter in resonance with the energy it was receiving. And we found out that the efficiency of the motor sometimes displayed unusual figures. Because of that phenomenon we took this motor to be tested in Germany, in a very special laboratory in Germany.
Specialized in this kind of measurement. Specialized in measurements. And
Richard: they even had to buy new equipment to make sure the measurements were right, you know. That sounds very German.
Cesar: Yeah, it sounds very German. It took more than six months. We're going back and forth. We went there three times and after the third time we had a report with unusual efficiency figures. When i say unusual yeah when i say unusual is
Richard: that it doesn't comply with
Cesar: the conventional electromagnetic theory or regular
Richard: electromagnetic physics
Cesar: yes.
And so they they didn't want to sign the document showing the results because that would imply in very serious things. Like, let's say, you would need to revise the theories on physics of thermodynamics and electromagnetism.
Richard: In other words, because they didn't have a theory to explain the results you got, they wouldn't sign a paper saying those were the results you got.
Cesar: Yes, exactly.
And also we had a professor from the Eindhoven University that was independently... Well, he was there also in this laboratory in Germany, and he was very touched. It
Richard: impressed him somehow.
Cesar: He was very impressed with the results, and he said, OK, people, if you want me to go down to Brazil and help you to measure this with your equipment, or I can bring some of my equipment to equipment, I know they are very good. We can redo the tests there and find out if these results are OK or not.
So he came some months later when it was his vacation there in Germany in Holland and here in Brazil he could prove again the same figures we have taken there in Germany. He wrote a letter saying but he said please do not show this my signature for in official terms you can say whatever. If you are in contact with a company you can show them that I measured I am responsible before the measurement, but don't tell.
Richard: In official circles.
Cesar: Yeah, in official circles, because this represents my career. I do
Richard: not want to be troubled. There's two things I think about there. One is to come back to the Chinese practicality, but the other is that this often happens in science. When you propose an idea that's different from what the mainstream scientists say is the truth, you're often excommunicated like they used to do in the church in the medieval times.
That's true, isn't it? That you have to be very careful as a scientist not to say anything that's too outside what the main dogmas are.
Cesar: Yes, Richard, I see the situations are very similar. What happened before with the church is happening today with the science. Before you couldn't say, I don't believe in God. Today, if you say you believe in God, for example, you are banned by science.
You are not
Richard: a scientist.
Cesar: So in both ways, you are radical, one way or the other, you see. So, science today seems to have a complete protocol to tell what is true and what is not true, you see. And based on that, if you do not follow their theories of some results, do not comply with the theories, this is banned. It's banned as non-official, as non-conventional, as non-scientific.
Right.
Richard: Someday, we're going to prove our theories. This doesn't prove them, so we're just going to put it aside until our theories are fully proven. I understand that. Then Chinese practicality, that was the difference. And maybe not being so addicted to Western physics, maybe.
Cesar: Of course. China, the first thing that impressed me in China is that they do not have these, let's say, they are not committed to theories, to old theories, to thoughts of philosophers, you know, like...
Richard: They're not academic in that sense.
Cesar: Academic, too much academic. They are much more practical. If they see something works, they copy. They do, and they can do it better. It seems similar to the Japanese society. Just after the war, they were simply destroyed after the war, after the bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki, and they could build up the third country in the world.
It's a huge power, technological power today. Everybody respects Japan by their achievements. And so everybody will be respecting China very, very, very soon for their achievements. So
Richard: you're there and you introduced the Keppe motor. You're introducing the Keppe motor into a factory that's producing these motors inside fans. What do you do there? What's your day? Are you working with
Cesar: the engineers? What are you doing?
Yes, I work as a designer, a project engineer. I design different motors, capping motors, for different applications. And they put this into practice.
Richard: And what is their philosophy about it? They see it, they see it works, and they say, okay, well, let's start developing. Is it literally like that?
Cesar: No, they are very much concerned about cost. But this, in fact, this is one limiting factor for the development of our projects.
Because we have projects even for cars. But if touches is sensitive in terms of cost, it costs too much, they cut. They don't do it.
Richard: And so I get frustrated sometimes. Everything has to be cheap, right? Everything
Cesar: has got to be cheap.
Richard: So you're developing these Keppe motors in many different applications with Chinese engineers. Chinese engineers. They follow what I design. What's it like to work with Chinese engineers as compared to Brazilian or North American or German?
What's the difference?
Cesar: They don't argue too much. They just see the drawing. They doubt in the beginning. But after they do it and they see it works they start to think they take it for granted. From that moment on they start to do everything that way. It's
Richard: so interesting. When students learn a language, we teach languages here, I've noticed that there are certain students that want to learn the language before they speak it.
It's similar to the German idea or the American, the Western idea that you have to fit the theory before it works, you know. So if it doesn't fit the theory, it's excluded. And the Chinese seem to be the kind of thing, well, let's do it first and we'll figure out why it works later.
Cesar: Yes, if it works, let's do it. If it works, let's do it.
And I love this. In this sense, they can make a project much quicker. Than here in the West.
Richard: Can we come back and talk more about this? Yeah, of course.
Cesar: I've got some
Sofie: time. All right,
we're just going to take a break here. I'm Thinking with Somebody Else's Head. I want to explore a number of things. We've sort of laid the groundwork now for why Caesar is there and what he's doing and what the Capimotor is doing there.
Richard: But I want to sort of morph into the exploration of what's gone wrong in our science that we can't explain a phenomenon like this. So we'll get into that when we come back on Thinking with Somebody Else's Head on the Stop Radio Network, so don't go away.
Richard: A key inversion in science.
Cesar: Always we are trying to extract energy from a material element.
Richard: And its negative consequences.
Cesar: We provoke serious imbalances in nature.
Richard: Corrected now with the Keppe motor's disinversion of physics.
Cesar: And we developed a way to have mechanical power with very little electricity.
Cláudia: This will make a big change, not only in energetic efficiency, but also it will bring better energy in homes because it's magnetic energy.
Richard: The Keppe motor, new technology for a new world. We
think consciousness, the perception of problems, is dangerous. Norberto Cappi. Disinverting the human being and society.
Richard: We're back, Thinking with Somebody Else's Head on the Stop Radio Network. I'm Richard Lloyd Jones, and my dear friend, and I mean that sincerely, Cesar Soós, is back in the studio. It's great having you here.
I've missed these conversations very much. So, you said at the very beginning that Dr. Keppe's discovery of inversion allowed him to disinvert physics. And I think we've talked about this, I think, in a number of programs in various ways. But let's just approach it again and see if you've sort of developed your thinking at all from the earlier programs that we did.
What in physics was inverted?
Cesar: Well, what is inverted in the first place is the idea of the relationship between matter and energy.
Richard: Matter, you mean material, physical
Cesar: material. Physical matter, material
Richard: world. And energy, you don't mean the energy that comes out of the wall, necessarily.
Cesar: No, no, it means energy, that thing that causes movement.
Richard: Okay, was this talked about in ancient metaphysics?
Did they talk about this energy in some way?
Cesar: Yes, energy in physics is defined as matter in movement. For example, whenever you have matter in movement, you have energy. You can have a massive body in movement. The product of this mass, the kilos, how many pounds it weighs, times the velocity of its mass is energy it has in the movement. But also the matter itself has the energy of its particles in movement.
So, energy is always something material in movement. It's associated to matter in movement. And the idea of Dr. Keppe says that the matter itself is made of a primary source of energy, which is the vacuum energy. And he normally calls essential energy. Essential because it's essential for the existence of the material world.
Richard: Is this the same as Tesla's scalar energy? Yes,
Cesar: it would be the same.
Yes. And so this essential energy would create matter. But how this energy creates matter? It uses the principle of resonance. The energy contains two components, attraction and repulsion, let's say. They are complementary forces which are in resonance in time and space. This is matter for Dr. Keppe.
Richard: Okay, so can we give a practical example of that? A plant, an organ, how does an atom...
Cesar: Yes, I will tell you the basic difference between conventional physics and Dr. Keppe's physics in this sense, is that, for example, when you move an object, this object is set into motion because you moved it. So movement takes place because of an interaction of two different bodies. I push the body and the body moves. This is the Newtonian, the classical way of seeing motion.
Action, reaction. Action, reaction. I act in the body and the body reacts in relation to me. To what I did. Yeah, to what I did. But if my
Richard: force is stronger than the reaction of the body, then the body is set into motion. That's the idea we see. I can
Cesar: push and push and push on a building, but nothing is going to happen because the building is stronger.
It's resisting much more than what you can put. More
Richard: force than what I'm putting in. But for like a little stone or something, I can kick the stone with a bigger force and the stone will then be moved into action. This is Newton.
Cesar: Yeah, this is Newton.
Richard: How does Keppe see that?
Cesar: Keppe introduces a new concept in physics, which he called an internal vibration of energy, of essential energy.
He says that even matter in the most intimate part, a simple particle, an atomic particle, has an inner vibration of energy that creates it. And this inner vibration, according to the resonance mode, sets the particle in motion or not. And so the motion of a particle, of a piece of matter, is a relationship between the internal energy of the bodies. I don't know if you understand that, but for
Richard: example...
I'm trying to follow you, I'm struggling to follow you, but I'm trying to...
Cesar: Let me see. One of the greatest, one of big problem, big trouble for physics today is to explain how telekinesis work. For example, today we have people. Well, everybody knows that. We have people who can move objects with the power of the mind. And these waves are not detected.
So if you do not have any wave detected between your mind and the object that is being moved, you say well it's mysterious but in this sense according to Dr. Keppe's theory both my mind and the object they are made by the same energy. We are inside the same field of energy but my mind has one internal vibration and the object has another internal vibration.
When I set my mind in resonance to the internal vibration of the object then I can move it. I move it through the essential energy and not from outside, I mean, by touching
Richard: the body. If I can sort of bring that into terms that maybe many of our listeners will understand, in the Keppe motor example, it's actually found a way to use in some way this vacuum energy.
Where most motors are imprisoned in using only the electromagnetic current going through a wire, this motor somehow, you guys have created it somehow, to capture this scalar essential energy more efficiently. Is
Cesar: that reasonable? Yes, I can try to explain it this way. When you have a DC motor, called DC, direct current motor, you can picture this current going through the wire in one direction.
When you have an alternating current you can picture make a picture in your mind in a wire is going and energy in both sides up and down up and down going back and forth. Let's say back and forth back and forth but always inside the wire. When we have this resonant current we call rc motors resonant current motors Keppe motors can be called like that.
So in RC motors the current let's say the energy inside trapped inside the wires are pulsating and they are like oscillating and this oscillation enters in resonance with the energy outside the wire. And by entering resonance with the energy outside the wire the motor benefits from it because energy starts to be pushed from outside to inside the system, the motor. And the motor displays these unusual efficiencies.
It makes
Richard: it much more efficient because you're not relying just
Cesar: on this wire.
Richard: And when you have this current going through a wire you create a lot of heat and loss of energy, right?
Cesar: Yes, so we can work with the smaller wires, with thinner wires.
Richard: Right, and you're not having... This resistance in current to create the power, you're capturing energy more.
Cesar: And by the way, Richard, what that teacher from Meinhoven noted in the instrument, he said that after a certain point, the Keppe motor started to tap into some kind of a second source of energy.
Richard: There we are. That's what I wanted to get to.
Cesar: The second source. And the source was not the power supply that was feeding the electric current to the motor primary. Getting energy from somewhere else. Getting from somewhere.
Richard: And this is, we can see in the waveforms displayed in the scope meters. This is what's interesting, Cesar, because the technical aspects of this, we have to leave to the physicists to discover down the road, to explain that in their theories and stuff, which they will have to come to.
But we can understand, I think, we lay people, this concept, that it's capturing energy from something other than the principal source of energy that we normally capture energy from for these motors.
Cesar: Exactly. So do you understand the implications of that? Because the implications of that are so great. Because one day in the future, if we explore the principles on which the Keppe motor works, we can have machines plugged directly into space, let's say.
And this is exactly what Nikola Tesla said. One day in the future, we would be able to tap into this energy of the vacuum and work with our machines directly without wires. And this is what we can predict based on Dr. Cappi's physics.
Richard: Yeah, I wanted to ask you where all this is leading us, actually. So I'm glad you brought that up.
This is leading us to a consideration of the universe being organized in a different way from what we've thought. Exactly. The laws that Newton and Einstein proposed are incomplete to explain this phenomenon of the Keppe motor.
Cesar: Exactly. According to Dr. Keppe's physics, the planets and the stars, the cosmos itself, it works like floating in a sea of magnetic energy. So
Richard: this essential energy is magnetic energy.
This is the same thing, right?
Cesar: Yeah, Dr. Keppe identifies it especially lately. Yes, but magnetic energy has
Richard: a bigger scope in his theory. Not only the magnetic energy found in magnets. Right. It's much more encompassing than that. Right. He's kind of renaming essential scalar energy, he's calling it a magnetic energy, but like a big M magnetic, not a little m magnetic from a magnet.
Cesar: And for him, for example, the moon doesn't fall on Earth. It doesn't crash into Earth. It
Richard: doesn't crash into Earth because
Cesar: there is a repelling force, not only an attractive force. Not only gravity. Yeah,
Richard: not only gravity. So he sees
Cesar: this concept of gravity as very wrong, this concept.
Richard: As only having gravity.
Cesar: Yeah, because according to Newton and even Einstein, the only force existing in the cosmos that maintains the cosmos the way it is, harmonic, organized, is the gravity force, you know.
And this, everybody knows, it's impossible. If a simple comet passes through, it would cause an unbalance. Nothing would
Richard: be in place. And what is centrifugal force in this? Is this a reaction to gravity? It's not a separate force then for physics. Yeah,
Cesar: the centrifugal force would explain why the moon doesn't fall into the Earth.
Richard: But this is not the secondary force that Keppe is talking about.
Cesar: No, not at all. That was an explanation Newton gave to explain why it doesn't fall on Earth. Right. But we succeeded in doing in our laboratories here, the Capimoro Laboratory, a very interesting experiment. If you take a piece of iron, for example, and you approach this iron close to a north pole of a magnet... You
Richard: bring it close to the north pole.
Yeah,
Cesar: bring it close, it is attracted. Yes. And if you bring it close to the south pole, it is also attracted. Right? Yes. So, you conclude that no matter the pole, the magnet attracts iron. This is true. But we succeeded in the laboratory to bring a piece of iron in a certain place of a magnet and keep it floating above the surface of the magnet.
And this shows that even iron, which has the ability of being attracted by both poles, can be repelled as well. And so I never saw that in my school. Nobody says this. How can you make a piece of iron float in the presence of a very strong magnet? So this explains that the universe is
Sofie: based on these two magnetic forces and all
Richard: the planets, they simply follow this neutral
Cesar: line of the
Richard: magnet.
They find a place in between attraction and repulsion and like an imbalance in resonance floating there.
Cesar: Yes, and the most impressive thing is that if you try to force this piece of iron closer to the surface of the magnet, the magnet repels it to that point, neutral point. And if you try to push it, to pull
Richard: it out, it is brought... Attracts back to that place.
Attracts
Cesar: back to that place. Like
Richard: in a... It's like in... I'm not sure how you describe it. It's
Cesar: like a stable floating place. Exactly what would explain why the moon doesn't fall on earth you know exactly like the moon doesn't fall on the sun and and the other planets and so forth.
Richard: Wow that's fast fascinating. And then so uh through Keppe science we are having being forced to consider an organizing principle to the universe
Cesar: exactly not just
Richard: a random.
And not
Cesar: only that because when we discover that a piece of iron can be floating around a magnet it seems you can use this levitating force for our vehicles in the future and using the magnetic field of the planets. Because if you think about using combustibles to make star travel
Richard: space
Cesar: travel you would never get there because you need a tank a fuel tank the size of a planet
Richard: to arrive from here to the next star.
So the Jetsons, maybe, it will come to pass. This is what the Keppe motor is taking. This
Cesar: is exactly what I believe. I am there in China developing the motor, and I promise to you I'll get closer to this. Thank you, Cesar. I
Richard: know you will. Cesar Soós is applying Norberto Keppe's new physics in specific and dramatic ways. I mean, I know it sounds It's only like a new motor.
What's the big deal with that? But its innovations use up to 90% less energy. So developing it for all types of motors means we can stop with the absurdity of nuclear power plants and even stop flooding and destroying large areas to put in hydroelectric plants. That makes it really important. If this is interesting to you, I do suggest you read Norberto Keppe's New Physics.
You can buy that at kepimotor.com. That's our program for this time. I'm Richard Lloyd Jones. Talk to you next time on Thinking with Somebody Else's Head.
Cesar: Philosophy of positivism prefer to base science on material happenings. So, only
Cláudia: what you can see and touch and feel is real.
Richard: Now, spirituality is being put back into science. Imagine
Cláudia: what would happen if people start considering this as a real thing.
Not only as a religious thing, but also a real scientific thing. Imagine what would happen. Norberto
I'm Richard Lloyd Jones and welcome to the stop radio network. We broadcast from the international society of Analytical Trilogy in São Paulo brazil and our programs Thinking with Somebody Else's Head and healing through consciousness offer the most relevant conversations around about the state of our world and what we can do to make it better.
