Richard Lloyd Jones: I'm Richard Lloyd Jones, and this is Thinking with Somebody Else's Head. Martin Luther King foretold of a promised land. Thoreau spoke of a transcendent time, when wise men would ennoble the population. Thomas More dreamed his utopia. Lenin imagined all the people living life in peace. The dream of a better society doesn't easily vacate the human heart. In all ages, from all continents, come dreamers with their inner vision turned outward or upward, hopeful of a time when all men and women would be free.
And this vision has been sanctified in documents and constitutions and even poetry. Mystics and prophets and artists have convoked and lamented. And we should ask why. Why does this impossible dream persist? Perhaps because we all of us know in our quiet moments and in the deepest part of our souls that it's not impossible.
That as Blake wrote, we should live in eternity's sunrise. Hope for a better society today on Thinking with Somebody Else's Head. Our program is on the Stop Radio Network and proud to be so. Our Stop Radio Network, one of our developments in 2012. And as we move into 2013, perhaps a time to be grateful for all we've received and inspired again to do what we can to contribute to a better world.
That is required of us, you know. It's not enough of a life to just feather our own nest. If one of us is suffering, we are all suffering. So, Happy New Year to you, and I'm both grateful for your listenership and insistent that we have more to do if we want the kind of world that brings true human fulfillment and joy. With that in mind, our program today is about a new society.
Our first segment includes an interview I did with a special guest who joined us down here in Brazil shortly before Christmas.
Leonard Berg is interested in building exchange programs between international visitors and our association down here, keen to develop workable solutions for their communities to improve life, solutions that are in abundance in Norberto Keppe's science of psychosociopathology. That interview kicks off our program today. Leonard Berg is with me from Pace University, and Leonard has been associated with Dr. Keppe's work, what, 20 years, Leonard?
You've known about Dr. Keppe? Yes,
I first learned of Dr. Keppe in the early 1980s.
Richard: Okay, so Len just spent a week with us, 10 days or so, down here in Brazil, both at our language schools and our psychotherapeutic clinic, and also in our social projects up in our town of Cambuquita, which you've heard me talk a lot about on this program.
And Len, maybe you could just give us a quick overview of sort of what you did and what you experienced while you were here.
I know that's a broad question, so I may pop in and sort of break it up a little bit. But start with that, your impressions, what you did here and what your impressions were of your time down here.
Okay, well, I spent about 10 days in Brazil, starting in São Paulo, where I stayed in one of the trilogical residences, a seven-story building, and had meetings with some of the staff of International Society for Analytical Trilogy.
And then for about three, four days, I went up to Cambuquera and I experienced the various trilogical projects going on. I met with the mayor and others in the city or town of Cambuquera. And I also visited the mini factory where the fans are being made based upon new physics principles espoused by Dr. Keppe. I had also, when I was in São Paulo, visited the lab where the experimentation and research and design of the motors was taking place.
I want to get your,
Richard: because we talk a lot on our radio program about what's going on in the world, the problems that we're seeing all around us, and that there are solutions to that through Dr. Keppe's, not just his science, but his practical applications of that. So you had a chance to live in our trilogical residence, visit our trilogical companies, and see our trilogical social projects.
So you're fresh from that. Give us an outsider's perspective of your experience living with us, working with us, and being with us in our social projects.
Well, first, it gives me great hope that there's actually a model that exists that people around the world can learn from of how to live together cooperatively. But without the strict doctrines and dogmas of either capitalism or socialism or communism or some kind of ism, what really impressed me was the focus on ferreting out and acknowledging error, which is a basic tenet of Analytical Trilogy, the science that has been taught and practiced by Dr.
Keppe. And what I mean is living in this Western culture, so much is spin. Media is so prevalent and you listen to politicians, you listen to all segments of society and you get a lot of spin. Whereas in the situation where truth is valued, where acknowledging error is not seen as a threat, but actually a means by which to grow. This, I think, was one of the most impressive things about the whole experience there, the willingness to seek truth, look at oneself as one really is, and be open to correct errors so that progress could be made.
In what
Richard: practical ways did you see that, Len? I think that's also a very significant aspect of Dr. Keppe's work. We tend to want to focus on the strengths in our Western society. And Dr. Keppe says exactly the opposite. We need to focus on our defects, our problems. How, in practical terms, did you see that?
Well,
while I was in São Paulo, and also by Skype in Cambuquera, I experienced group meetings where various people associated with the projects, with the enterprises, would meet in sessions for maybe about an hour and a half or so, and discuss the problems that were going on and identify, you know, behavior that was impeding or making it more difficult to progress. But it was done in an atmosphere of love and an atmosphere of assistance so that the individuals involved could actually see what they may be blinded to in terms of how their actions were affecting the progress.
So that was one thing. The group sessions were very incredible.
Richard: How do you see this being able to be applied in our sort of dogmatic Western culture where we're pretty certain that we have things figured out, or if we don't have them figured out, we will have them soon with the next government or the next legislation or the next bylaw or the next practice that we initiate?
What do you see can be actually implemented inside our culture today? Well,
being as, you know, I do work at a university, I'm not here officially representing a university, but since I do work at a university, I come in contact with faculty and staff in all the departments and particularly in the Department of Psychology, but in all the different academic disciplines. And I can see that maybe one place to start is to expose some of the faculty and staff and students to this different approach to not only psychology, but to dealing with peace and justice and sustainability issues.
Because at my university, like many universities around the country, there's now a big focus on environment, on greening the campus, on peace, on justice. And I think what people are also looking for is, well, what are some practical tools we can use to help move in that direction?
And I think exposing this kind of philosophy and practice to people in this setting can be very powerful. I've actually had seminars and workshops with students who responded very, very enthusiastically to even just a taste of the process.
Richard: Let's come back to your experience here in Kambukira, specifically the social projects that you were witnessing. What did you have a chance to see and participate in your three or four days in our hotel complex and social project complex in Kambukira, Len?
Okay, well, one of the most impressive projects, apart from, you know, the manufacturer of the motor, there was a permaculture project where the society has bought a track of land where on this land they're building, I guess you might call like a theme park or theme city, but one that's not based upon just fun and rides, but it's based upon ecology, environment, clean living.
And they were building dwellings there using the basic rules. Materials of the Earth. They were diverting water, using just gravity to send the water up to a small tower. That was very impressive to me, the permaculture project. So that was one project in particular. Uh I didn't get to see many projects but I did get to see the facilities where the projects were being held.
Uh you know I I got to see facilities where uh young people from the community are given free lessons in music and in art and in dance and in sewing and fashion and design. I also saw an organic garden, which is feeding the people there who come to the hotel or live in the area. And then I saw projects that were being pursued by the mayor of the town, building schools and daycare centers, building a water filtration plant was under construction.
And from talking to the different people there, I discovered that a lot of the development of the town was inspired by the fact that the International Society of Analytical Trilogy bought a crumbling hotel, renovated it, started refurbishing around the area, and it sort of caught on like wildfire. Even across the street from the hotel, there's a water park where minerals are coming out of the ground that was in total disarray.
And according to the testimonies of the people there, after the society purchased the hotel and began to reconstruct things, then all of a sudden, the water park, which was sort of deserted and in decay, now is a thriving water park with a new spa and in development.
Richard: Now, we're having an international conference of Analytical Trilogy coming up in July 2013. And tell us a little bit about your vision for that event for the people that you know and the people you want to connect with so we can just start promoting it, I guess, a little bit here on our radio program.
Well, my vision is that people here in America, whether they be scientists who deal with energy from that perspective, whether they be social activists and faculty who are teaching courses in peace, justice, and sustainability, whether they be people in the holistic community who are interested in more holistic living, whether they be people who are interested in socially conscious business, who are intrigued by the idea of cooperative enterprises.
These are the kinds of people that I'm reaching out to, you know, people who have hope that we can do things in a way where everyone will prosper, but that we will do it cooperatively and we will do it also scientifically. I think it's a win-win, meaning we are planning on two weeks. The first week will be more intensively looking at something called new physics, which is a physics that takes into account the spiritual dimension or metaphysical dimension, or if you don't like those words, the unseen energies that enable our heart to beat and enable us to breathe, enable plants to grow, because they seem to have discovered a concept that engineers who worked with Dr.
Keppe turned into motors that are almost perpetual motors. So we're going to see that these will be sort of a model of how you can, instead of raping the environment and polluting the environment, you can take clean energy or free energy, almost free energy, and convert it into practical application like the fan they've developed. So part of the conference in the first seven days will deal with that as a model.
Also, it will deal with a model of different cooperative enterprises to show that people can live and work in a cooperative fashion. There'll also be relaxing elements, saunas and steam baths and massage. And then in the second week, the focus will be on experiencing the total environment, more specific extended involvement in some of the cooperative projects, meeting with people, relaxing. So it's a win-win thing where you'll be in an area where you'll be in tune with nature, the food is grown right in the garden outside, there's science, there's spirituality, which is non-biased, non-sectarian, there's social consciousness.
So to me, it deals with the total kinds of needs of human beings.
Richard: Thanks, Len. Let's find out more. What would be a better society? Cláudia Bernhardt Pacheco joins us when Thinking with Somebody Else's Head returns. The International Society
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program is Thinking with Somebody Else's Head on the Stop Radio Network. Here's your host, Rich Jones, and special guest, Dr. Cláudia Bernhardt Pacheco.
Richard: You're on the Stop Radio Network. Our program is Thinking with Somebody Else's Head. Cláudia Bernhardt Pacheco, as always, is here. Not as always,
Cláudia Bernhardt Pacheco: but almost always. Hopefully
Richard: for more time. When you skip a week, I always feel
Cláudia: bereft of company.
And Sheshton Bergquist, our dear friend from Sweden, is joining us today, especially. Thank you.
Richard: Welcome. Cláudia, last night I was doing a class. I found a text that Cesar Soós had written, one of our Keppe Motor inventors, about Trilogical Metaphysics and the new physics, which is going to be the theme of a conference that we're going to be having in Cambukita in July 2013.
And I thought rather than just start reading that text, I wanted to give a bit of context.
So I played a short documentary about consumption problems in the world, how much we're consuming too much, what this is causing on the earth. And then I asked them, my students, to analyze what was missing from this video. And, you know, then they started talking about the human problems of greed and narcissism and selfishness and power, the pathology of power, particularly. And after we finished that conversation, they were all a little depressed, actually.
So I showed them a short excerpt of a television program where you and Dr. Keppe were talking about the root cause of the human
problems as being inside the human being and inside the society that we've created, which is a consequence of the way we think. And then I got a chance to have this text of Cesar talking about the inversion in metaphysics that Aristotle made.
Well, it turned into a pretty optimistic class. And I think it would be interesting for us to talk a little bit about what's happening in the world and then lead people to what we can do about that in terms of our conferences coming up in July, our various social projects, because I think this will inspire a lot of people who are listening who look at the world and say, my God, what a mess.
What can we do? It's so depressing if you see it only at the level of
Cláudia: the consequences that we're witnessing right now. So let's launch off from there. Yeah, I think that you touched a very important area here. You said Dr. Keppe approached the root, the very root of the problem, social, economic, all problems, which is inside the mind of human beings.
It's our inner lives, because inside of us rely intelligence, reason, wisdom, love, aesthetics, beauty, goodness, understanding, intuition, which is very important.
So all decisions are made taking into consideration all these factors, like emotion, intention, desires, intelligence, reason, ethics, all these so important things that we have in life. So, if we are not fully aware of what is going on inside of our minds, and especially inside of the minds of the powerful people who make the decisions, are the decision makers, we are in trouble.
Because people can and they do decide things for all because of their own private individual interests. And many times they do this not out of idealism, as they claim, but out of corruption, out of psychopathology, pathology of power, as Keppe puts in Liberation of the People, Pathology of Power. It is incredible. So people start now to understand that the powerful are not necessarily the most balanced, the most capable ones, but more frequently they are the sickest people, physically and mentally and emotionally.
So this is a root problem. And not only that, but the perception of inversion that Dr. Keppe made, the discovery of inversion, that we are psychologically upside down oriented. Like, we want things invertedly. We choose things that will destroy us, that are against us, that are against human nature. We choose corruption instead of ethics. We choose hatred instead of goodness and love.
We choose envy and competition instead of cooperation. We choose laziness instead of accomplishment. So we are all upside down. In the sense that we do everything that is against us.
Richard: Yeah, we choose money instead of work. We
Cláudia: choose money instead of the true richnesses. We choose save money instead of apply it. And use it in a better way for us for our own enjoyment and development.
So we take precious stones and we hide them in boxes inside of, like, under the earth.
Vaults in the banks. So this leads people to an unbearable society.
Richard: Somebody said they went to the Brazilian Central Bank Museum one time in Brasilia. And right down underneath there's an enormous gold brick It's enormous rock of some sort that they're storing down there in the museum, you know, instead of finding
Cláudia: a way to use these resources. And the pity is that the private bankers, they took over most of the gold and the precious stones and the precious metals from the governmental banks.
And they brought this for themselves in hidden places. So you know that the pathological individuals are more and more taking over society. We
Richard: know the Central Bank of the United States is owned by private families mostly,
Cláudia: for example. So, do not, like, get pessimistic here. Don't jump in front of
Richard: a bus just yet. But, you know, I was thinking about this, Richard.
What is going on? Because when I speak about this, the value of the good things, people say, how come? But look around and you see all these things mounting up.
Cláudia: The statistics, more and more depression, more and more suicidal attitudes, people committing suicide and kids that are sick since they are small kids and families breaking apart and people getting more and more materialistic and giving less and less value to spiritual values and so forth and so on.
And war knocking at our doors. So let's remember something that Jesus said. And I want to quote Jesus because I find him the most intelligent being ever in this planet. The most sensible, the most intelligent, the best scientist, the best philosopher, and the best theologist.
Richard: And the best healer.
Cláudia: And the best healer. So let's quote him as this incredible being.
If we don't want to consider him God, which I do consider him God, but there are people who don't. But let's at least consider his wisdom. And he said, he spoke about the wheat and the chaff, that this should grow all together at the same time. And one day this would be put down. Both. Both. Both. The wheat to remain, to take advantage from the seeds and from the profits and the fruits and everything.
And the chaff?
Richard: I just want to make sure that I'm getting the analogy correctly. Separating the wheat from the chaff, is this the same thing that you're talking about, that Jesus was talking about
Cláudia: this year? Yes, similar. We are getting to this point. We are getting closer and closer. Because now, not only God, because he always identified, he always identified which seed was what.
But we didn't. So we didn't have consciousness enough to distinguish the good from evil and now we have this possibility.
Now we have like our eyes our mental eyes our consciousness is seen much better and better who is who what is evil, what is good and especially after Dr. Keppe realized inversion we see this even better what is good and what is evil So now we can see and choose what do we want for us. And considering that the evil people are manifesting themselves in a way that they never manifested before in such a strength, they are opening the games.
The cards are on the table. They are openly saying what they want and what they do. So the more we see this, the better chances we have to choose.
Richard: This was also prophesied, wasn't
Cláudia: it, that at the end
Richard: of times the Antichrist will reveal himself.
Cláudia: Yes, and so the Antichrist thoughts and mechanisms and philosophies are being very much better recognizable. You can see this, the Antichrist acting through philosophies, through science, through many, many means, economy, injustices, theories.
So we see this manifesting and we see people getting more and more upset. So let us consider then the part of the society or the individuals that are scattered around the world and that they are good people and they are well-intentioned and they really are good people and well-intentioned so they must be brought together. So I don't know really how this will happen.
And if God will come and put them together, like in a metaphorical term, but if there is something more like these people coming together and being unified by the same kind of thought, the same kind of understanding, the same kind of consciousness, having them all together, united in one direction, which is the direction to have a healthier, more balanced, divine society. So this unification that will happen might happen even in a scientific, energetic, resonating kind of situation.
Richard: Do you understand what I mean? Let me just illustrate that by saying that in the piece of the TV program I showed last night of you and Dr. Keppe, Dr. Keppe was showing the experiment of resonance with the little scale and the little nuts on string and showing that as they're at different levels, when he starts to
put
Richard: one in motion, the one that's at the same, the weight that's at the same level, length of string, begins to resonate and move together and the others don't move.
Cláudia: So this impressed the students, this phenomenon of resonance, that if we have a kind of a collective mind that's at a higher level. The transcendental mind, which Keppe called in the beginning of his work,
Richard: trans-consciousness.
Cláudia: Trans-consciousness. This is beautiful. If we have this trans-consciousness, then that means. We do have. We do.
And it's outside time and space. Yes. It doesn't matter where people are. People will resonate with that energy in some way. All together, dead or alive, all together, outside time and space, all the good people will resonate more and more, upper and upper. And this is absolutely divine. This energy that resonates in a higher level, all resonances, all vibrations come from God.
So if you consider that this can happen and this is happening, that human beings linked to God, not necessarily in an institutional way, religious way, but if they are innerly connected to God, to truth, beauty, and goodness, they will be united all together by God. This is already something spiritual. This is already God uniting them in a way, bringing them together from all parts of the world.
They will communicate from all parts of the universe.
We will be communicating through resonance. This is totally divine. Now we have a science that can facilitate this, which is Analytical Trilogy. So science of Analytical Trilogy can facilitate in a way that we can understand better the blockages, the inversions, the obstacles, the refusals, the pathologies we have that are impeding us, holding us back from this elevating, this elevation of, how can you, I don't know the words.
Yeah, exactly. The elevation of vibration of energy.
Richard: That's lifting. Lifting,
Cláudia: yes, yes. There are things that are holding us down. Yeah. Like it's stuck. Good. Let me
Richard: take a break, Cláudia. Fantastic, and we'll continue this conversation in just a moment. Are you enjoying, Kirsten?
Cláudia: Yeah,
Richard: yeah. It's nice to be here, isn't it, in the studio? Yeah, yeah, really. I have this pleasure every week, and believe me, it's a great privilege and a pleasure.
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Cláudia, before the break, you were talking about the energy that resonates and that this is, you said, an elevating energy, lifts us.
And you know this can seem so ephemeral you know what what the heck does this mean. Let's bring that down to earth a bit. What in practical terms does it mean to
Cláudia: resonate around the planet.
What are we doing what what does how does this affect us through telepathy.
Yeah it could be telepathy but I'm thinking of projects and things that people can do okay as
Richard: they're as they're feeling you know this energy of doing good things.
Cláudia: You know when people are open like a radio station or an antenna they are open to receive higher levels of vibration because they have good intentions so they can receive this even unconsciously inspiration.
Inspirational
Richard: this can be inspirational intuitive inspirational
Cláudia: actions and understandings and they can develop, by their own means, specific projects in their own area, in their own community, with their own groups and people, in their own families, their professional lives, how to improve. But there are means, also practical means, to help them to do this. And one of the means, which I find very important, is to get in contact with this science, which is universal.
Analytical Trilogy is a science that can be applied in all areas. I mean, all religions, all professions, all philosophies, all countries, all nations, all colors, all races, all, because it's universal. But the thing that will distinguish people who will benefit from this science and those who don't is their intention. And this intention might be good or bad or conscious or unconscious, but then if they have good intention, they will take benefits from the science.
Richard: I just want to speak about this because I have this and have had this experience many times, this inspiration you're talking about. It happens a lot in the shower for some reason. And I won't go into all the details of being in the shower, but you know what I mean. There, I often receive inspiration.
Cláudia: You know, yes, people often receive good inspirations because
Richard: we get relaxed.
Yeah. And also
Cláudia: we have less
Richard: censorship. Yeah. And I also think of it as like the water of truth somehow. It's coming over my head. So I receive many inspirations in the shower. And what I have experienced many times is that when I come out of the shower, I'm all charged. OK, this is a great idea. And then over time, the inspiration diminishes.
The feeling diminishes. You know, I feel this incredible. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And then I start thinking, well, maybe it'll be too difficult. Maybe it. Then this is the problem that I think many people run into. I have the benefit of being here now, so I have lots of constant inspiration, so I can continue on some of these projects. But many times, people don't understand that this inspiration will be challenged.
And if they don't
Cláudia: understand that, they will give up very quickly.
Many people give up. Not everybody gives up. So you mean that they must understand their inner selves better, How it works and how
Richard: pathology works inside of themselves, which denies, omits, misunderstands, deviates, restricts, censors a true thought, a true feeling,
Cláudia: a good intention. So we have like the essence of ourselves which is very good, very balanced, but we have this kind of inversion inside and if we don't understand inversion, the counteraction will come.
Like you have this good impulse, and then you have the counteraction of inversion that will start telling you in your inner life, in your mind, no, this is not worthy, it will not be beneficial for you, it will be a waste of time, you will get in trouble, blah, blah, blah, blah, which is the inversion, working in ourselves. Yeah,
Richard: exactly. Beautifully put.
Cláudia: So we need to understand our pathology. If we don't, we will destroy our possibilities to develop and build a fairer society. And I think, Richard, that the powerful, the pathological powerful got so much power because of the inversion of the peoples, the peoples' inversions. So they accept pathology of the powerful because they have this inner enemy, which they don't understand, they don't know.
So we must understand this. And one of the reasons for our conference in July is to invite people from many nations, many places, many areas, from all over, to understand all the good intentioned people, to understand better.
Richard: Yeah, beautiful. I want to just open a space for Sherston if you have a comment, because
Cláudia: you're sitting here very nicely listening. I know as usual the Swedish don't say anything.
Please,
Richard: I haven't really opened the door for her to say anything, but if you'd like to make a comment or add something, we'd love to hear from you.
Yeah,
this that you are talking about, our inversion, that we often, often have good ideas. And that happens often with me after my psychoanalysis session. It opens up something and, oh, it's a brilliant idea. This I want to do, like you in the shower. But then comes this, oh, but it's not worthwhile and maybe not. And then it fades away. It fades away.
And imagine people, now I'm a little bit more aware of these things. Now I'm a little bit more aware. But if I'm not, I will lose, lose, lose all these ideas.
Cláudia: And fear is always present, isn't it?
Fear is present. Boy, for
Cláudia: sure. We fear goodness. We fear development. We fear
Richard: success. We fear God. Crazy, isn't it? It's so
Cláudia: crazy. It's a huge inversion, but we do that.
So we have thoughts like, what am I going to do alone? I cannot succeed. It will be too much. And will it compensate?
And then many other ideas, fearful ideas come.
Richard: And I just want to offer something out to the people who are listening to us now, who don't have the opportunity to come and live with us, because Sherston and I are here. And boy, we have this constant reminder and this constant opportunity to analyze these things.
Cláudia: Sherston is starting now to live here, But she lived in Sweden, doing analysis by phone, and coming twice a year here.
For how many years? Oh,
I think since 1985, I have known Trilogy, and then I started to work with Trilogy. Trilogy. But I never lived here, so this is the first
Cláudia: time now I have been here. And you are here because you have a daughter here and a
granddaughter, which is so cute. Yeah, two
Cláudia: granddaughters. Two granddaughters.
So I have my family here, my Trilogy family and my normal family.
Richard: So what I wanted to offer to people is that there are ways to begin this process of dealing with these things that come up in our heads through Dr. Keppe's books and TV programs, our radio programs. There are many resources now available for people to begin to develop the strength to follow through on those inspirations of good intentions that many people feel.
Cláudia: Like the Mbukira Project, which is the city of divine or divine city, whatever you can name it, or village. But there, where we have our social projects, we have the chance to accomplish our dreams. That's what I always say, because when people have a dream and they don't have the opportunity to accomplish this dream in regular society. So they want to dance, they want to participate in a theater like be on stage or they want to build a house which is ecological and they want to create a city or a village that has more sustainable principles and fair justice.
So they want to help poor people, or if they want to spend a time in nature, or whatever dream of accomplishment they can have, we have a place that everything that is good, beautiful and balanced can be accomplished in. This like it's a terrain where we can do this
Richard: collectively. Any hippies listening? This is where
Cláudia: we can build that society But hippies are inverted, isn't it?
Because hippies
Richard: won't do nothing, and when the problems come and discipline comes, so they
Cláudia: deny. And discipline is a very good thing. So, people who want to work, people who want to do something to accomplish, will have a good inspiration in our project in Cambuquita. But I have to tell something. So, they have a dream, like teachers. I want to teach singing.
So they go there and they start dealing with the people in town. And there are many poor people, or not only poor, but people who are ready to be benefited.
People in town that don't have a chance to have a good teacher. And the teacher starts having to deal with the pathologies. Her own resistance, her own resistance in doing and feeling like lazy and tired and all this counteraction things that come. And then the students will start to manifest resistance. They have the enthusiasm in the beginning, but then the resistance comes.
So when this inversion appears and this pathology of resisting comes, we really need to force ourselves to do things against our will. Not our conscious will, but our desires, our tendencies, our negative habits. So I want to sleep later in the morning on the weekend so I will not wake up to travel to Cambukita and do this. Or the students will fail.
They start like 20 in the first group, and then they start declining. The
Richard: teacher starts to see his difficulties or her difficulties.
Cláudia: Yeah, so when the difficulties start, because every time you want to do something good, all the difficulties come to the surface. And here comes the distinction between the real good seeds and those that are not so good. So if you really persist, if you really are determined to change things for better in your life and in life, then you will persist, you'll have discipline, and you will collect the fruits.
This is for sure. You will be collecting fruits.
Richard: And we were talking about residence. Let's just mention here at the end of our program about the one opportunity for residence we have coming up in July. We have many opportunities, but the real tangible one that's coming up in July 2013, our International Conference of Analytical Trilogy in our lovely bucolic town of Cambukita, where we have our hotel.
And I want to invite people personally to that because this is going to be an opportunity to really, what are we calling the title of this?
The New Physics and
Cláudia: the Divine
Richard: Society featuring the Keppe Motor and practical applications of Analytical Trilogy for people to really deepen in this work and take this back to their countries, their towns, their communities. This will be fabulous, I think.
Cláudia: Yeah, because they are all like cooperatives, living cooperatives, working cooperatives, artistic cooperatives. It's a cooperation.
Richard: So we can come to, go ahead.
Yeah, so I know that we have already interested people in Sweden to come here in this Congress in July. So they are only waiting now for the details and the program and to...
Cláudia: This
will be beautiful, Kerstin, because the Swedish, they always wanted those communities,
Cláudia: remember, like a fairer society, respecting the environment, peaceful, very highly idealistic mentality of social living and economic living that now is being wasted.
I talked to one of our ministers in our government Saturday and he said "it's a pity that some women in the present government in Sweden, they are destroying all the good things that Olof Palmeke accomplished in the past. And the very care of the elderly are being taken away by some women in the power. What is this?" So women can be even tougher and they can be merciless.
It's taken away from about capitalism because it's a capitalism society that work with these elderly because they see that in elder privatizing, that they have a lot of money to gain through the elderly. So it's these, I don't know the name in English.
Richard: Orientation for these homes to privatize these old senior citizens. So in Sweden,
I'm from Canada, we have a big relationship with Sweden, but we were sort of following their model for a long time, and now that's being lost in Canada too, which is very sad to see.
We call it risk capitalism. It's these people that put risk in their money, that put the money in the elder care system. Investing. Investing.
Richard: Speculating. Speculating on
Cláudia: death. Yeah, so
Richard: come to our conference. That's the end result. Come in July.
Cláudia: We will invite them every week.
Richard: Every week.
Cláudia: We will remind them every week.
Richard: So you have no way to escape.
Cláudia: Yes, when the counteraction comes and they say, no, I can't go, I can't pay their ticket, it will be too much, or it's not going to be worthwhile, we will be reminding you again and again and again until July.
Richard: July 2013, our international conference featuring the extraordinary work of Brazilian psychoanalyst and social scientist Dr. Norberto Keppe. And let me be sincere, I'm a seeker and the proposals Keppe's work has for developing a just, green, spiritual society are unequaled.
I hope you join us.
Love to hear from you.
I'm Richard Lloyd Jones. Thinking with Somebody Else's Head is on the Stop Radio Network.
