Richard Lloyd Jones: They're forecasting possible energy price heights of 30 to 50 percent this year. On top of a recession, it's hardly good news. We've been warned about this for at least 30 years, but we've been dinosaurs slow in adapting to the warnings. Obama's got his New Energy for America plan, but is it possible we're too late to change? I'm Richard Lloyd Jones, and today on Thinking with Somebody Else's Head, the Keppe Motor, revolutionizing science, technology, and energy.
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You can check out our portal site to sort of get an update on all the things that are going on here, www.trilogia.ws. That's Trilogia, T-R-I-L-O-G-I-A, Trilogia.ws. Well, maybe the hottest development here these days is the Keppe motor, a light years development in the capturing of free essential energy. Let's find out all about that and something about the revolutionary new physics principles behind it, too, with one of the inventors today, Brazilian engineer Cesar Soós.
Cesar, I'd like to begin with looking at the current state of thinking. Everybody know, everybody knows there's an environmental problem. Everybody knows there's an energy problem that we need to make some solutions to that really quickly. The new secretary of energy, physicist Stephen Chu, was speaking in the New York Times recently that the world's energy and environment problems would require Nobel level breakthroughs in three areas.
He said electric batteries, solar power, and the development of new crops that can be turned into fuel. And I felt as I read this, that he doesn't know about the Keppe motor. He's missing something. He's very linked to the material level of things.
Cesar Soós: This kind of thinking belongs to the mainstream right of technology. All technology in this planet is based on material combustibles, on material sources of energy.
So if you think of getting electricity you think about the hydroelectric to get energy from levels of of water, right, or you think about nuclear power plants or you think about coal or there are many other forms. But all of them require a primary source material, primary source. And because of this thinking we are destroying our planet, you see. So people are attached to this kind of thing, to this frame of thinking, because they do not see a solution for that.
They do not have another point of view. Dr Keppe says that energy creates matter, not the other way around.
Richard: Let's go into that in a minute, but let me continue on your thought because I think you're saying it very well. I remember an interview that you and I participated in with a man from National Public Radio in Florida. And he was at the beginning of his show. He was praising the situation in Brazil where you and I live, where they're using bio combustibles, yes, now that are better for the environment, in mainly sugar cane, which are which is creating a new type of biofuel which is better for the environment.
But what they didn't say, what they don't know is that the planting of sugar cane absolutely destroys the ecosystem of the soil. It makes it like a desert. It just completely takes the nutrients out,
Cesar: doesn't it? Yes, everybody knows that any kind of multi monoculture, all monocultures, they sterilize the the lands, yeah. So sugar cane plantation requires huge areas. Imagine to to feed all the cars with sugar cane, with alcohol, we would need to turn most a big part of our territory here, Brazil, which is a very like a fertile country, would have to become a country to produce alcohol for cars. And this is everything we don't need.
No one thing is to have the lands appropriate for production of food. Other thing is to have the same lands for production of alcohol for cars. Sure, and
Richard: the main point I think you want to make and that I want to make is that we can't continue to get energy only from material. This is the inverted idea in science,
Cesar: isn't it? Exactly, Richard.
We keep thinking that energy comes from material primary sources. This is the
Richard: problem. And how do we break that thinking? Because that is entrenched It's sort of ingrained in everyone's mind, of course, from the physics world, as we see Stephen Chu having that attitude as well, to everybody. Everybody thinks that we get energy from the food, we get, you know, things come from material sources.
How do we begin to break that thinking? First
Cesar: of all, we have to accept the idea that electromagnetism is not a primary source of energy like physics believes. Physics believes the electromagnetic sources forces they comes from electrons, from material particles. So in fact Dr Cappi in his book The New Physics derived from a disinverted metaphysics he gives us a different view of that.
He says the energy of the vacuum creates the electromagnetism. So for Dr Cappi the electromagnetism is not a primary source but is a secondary source. And this changes completely the way we make technology. This changes completely the way we can use energy. Because think of this, Richard. You need batteries to create energy, electricity. This is what we believe now. In the old view, yes.
Yeah, in the old view. But in our new view, we take electricity out from space, from empty space. What do you think about that?
Richard: Well, one thing, I guess it's not empty anymore, is it? No, exactly.
Cesar: The empty space is full of energy, is energy. Once you can harness this energy, you have the entire infinite cosmos for you. It's a huge fuel deposit, fuel
Richard: source, yes.
You said it one time, you said we don't have an energy crisis at all. We have infinite amounts of energy in the universe. Let me quote from Dr. Keppe's book, maybe as a way of focusing us in on this idea, Cesar. He said, in his book, The New Physics, Dr. Keppe says, Planets, stars, comets, and galaxies move inside an almost absolute energy which determines all existence, and which ancient scholars called ether, a kind of fluid found in the vacuum of space.
Therefore, we must disinvert our notion and see that energetic forces are extremely powerful, maintaining everything that exists. What is he talking
Cesar: about here? This is extremely interesting. Behind this thought, Richard, imagine if we think like the scientists today, the vacuum being an empty space, all matter will have an end. So our cosmos is doomed to an end which they call a thermal or thermic death because all matter is losing energy in the form of heat, is losing movement and heat, and until it will get a certain point everything will be dead.
This is one of the theories they believe because they believe the vacuum cannot, nothing can come out of the vacuum, yeah,
Richard: right, and everything is non-renewable, right, it's if we use
Cesar: it up we use it up and it's gone. So this has cosmological implications once you you accept to the point of view that the vacuum is full of energy and also on top of that you accept that this energy is also organized form of energy because our material world is organized.
The planets they are organized, they are harmonic in cosmos, they are all in their situations, they are all harmonic one in relation to the other. So it means this energy has in itself, the order. So, you have to accept that the basis of the cosmos is order, is harmony, is beauty. And so, this gives a completely new approach for science. We believe it's dangerous to go out in the space and find black holes that will suck us to other dimensions and kill us.
I don't know. They give so many crazy ideas about what they think the universe is. No, we could say that the universe is completely harmonic and it can also sustain the human form of life in many different planets. It's not dangerous then. It's not dangerous. It's a thing we have to be accustomed to. We have to be accustomed to the idea that many civilizations outside the planet Earth may exist.
Richard: Yes, Dr. Keppe says that the knowledge of the phenomena in physics is difficult because of missing this one key element, that they don't consider a previous form of energy, which forms all matter. What is this?
Cesar: This is interesting because you see the planets, they are elements, material elements in resonance with their stars. If they are in resonance with their stars, they get energy from the stars through resonance and not through the space, not through the particles the sun emits towards the planets, for example, you see.
So life can be sustained much more by the resonance the planet has with its stars than with the particles themselves. So this new physics says that this force, transcendental force, creates the planets and gives conditions for life too. Because it's an organized form. So life is the most basic form of energy in the universe. So all planets, if you leave them, all planets, they must have conditions or develop conditions to have life.
Richard: Are you saying that there is life on lots of different planets in
Cesar: the universe then? This is a logic consequence of this what I'm saying. If you accept the energy of the vacuum is organized, you have to accept that many other planets must be like ours. This
Richard: is a subject for another podcast. We will touch this subject because this is very interesting, because we think that the conditions for life are extremely fragile, that they can only exist within an environment, an atmosphere like we have, a very thin shell of atmosphere with certain conditions, and this is what we think.
Cesar: Yeah, in this book, The New Physics, Dr. Cappi also comments about this. Our science is based on Aristotle. And Aristotle says that the greater comes from the lesser. He developed science based on this thought, an inverted metaphysical thought. So scientists today believe the conjunction of many small factors can lead to a greater factor. And not the other way around, as Dr. Cappi proposes.
Life is a consequence of something greater than it. Not from bacterias and temperature of the planet, the pressure of the planet, distance to the sun.
Richard: The thickness of the ozone layer.
Cesar: Yeah, this is crazy. We'll never account for all the variables to put them together and conclude, okay, that planet can have life or not. But if you come from the other way around, you see, okay, what is in the basis of life, of everything?
So, it's the energy, essential energy of space. And this essential energy is organized. So, this energy is responsible for all the smaller elements you find. Even our thinking depends on it.
Richard: And, of course, now you're touching your finger deeply into the theological aspect of Norberto Keppe's work, That this organization of the universe comes from a quality of being, not from a random
Cesar: chance mutation, but from something really like a being that's organized.
And let me comment one thing, Richard. Science came from metaphysics. But today, because of the positivism of Augusto Conte, we have a materialistic point of view. And we discarded metaphysics as something not serious. But look at what happens today. Science is evolutionist and evolutionism implies a variable time. Time is a variable that is in the essence of the evolutionism. One
Richard: guy said that actually all life is, is genetics plus time.
But
Cesar: time itself is a secondary variable, it's not a primary variable because in the transcendental world where this energy is there is no time, there is no space, there is no matter. So you can never organize a science with secondary variables. So if you are organizing a way of thinking based on time, space, and matter, you are out of knowledge. Interesting.
Richard: Well, let's go to the Keppe motor now.
This is enough of our metaphysical discussion because it's very fascinating and interesting, but a little bit abstract. Let's come to the motor. I just took something off the website today. What is the Keppe motor and the answer to that is a highly efficient motor developed by you and Roberto Frascari based on principles from Dr. Keppe's book The New Physics derived from a disinverted metaphysics and in here you say the motor significantly reduces the consumption of electricity to generate the same mechanical power or torque compared to conventional electrical motors.
Well
Cesar: this what you said is already out of date, right, we
Richard: that's the problem with websites,
Cesar: yeah, problem with science also. When you do something it's very like dynamic science. I work in the laboratory the entire day, you know, there with my friends developing the cap motor since the date we made our first prototype. This was one year ago in February. You can have any efficiency you want, even greater than 100%.
And this is contrary to the laws of physics, specifically to the thermodynamics, second law of thermodynamics. What's the most, the highest level of efficiency? You have motors that get to 99 and 98, but this is a syntactic curve. The most you can perfect one motor using the same technology, this traditional technology, will never surpass 100. This will be always closer and closer to 100, but never surpass, it's a it's a restriction of our technology.
And
Richard: you're now saying that you're achieving over 100, 100, this is called over
Cesar: unity machines, over unity machines which everybody's been looking to find for, yeah. Richard, in old times they call the perpetual mobile in the motors, perpetual, right, even in Leonardo da Vinci, Leonardo da Vinci
Richard: spent a long time of his life trying to make one of these devices. But what is the Keppe more, what's the principle behind it, tell as much as you can without revealing all the secrets if you don't feel that's that's right, but
Cesar: how does it work, what is it's a series of coils of magnets like all the motors, electric motors, they it has coils and magnets, permanent magnets or not, you can use it with electromagnets as well like the other motors, you know, and this motor it has a specific design and utilizes pulses of energy because the pulses of energy we discovered that you can get more energy than you input, than you put into the
Richard: system, pulse of energy meaning an electrical pulse coming from a battery or an AC power source, yes, yes,
Cesar: DC power source, you you put a pulse of electrical energy into the system, the system created and then what happens, and what happens is that the system begins to behave in a different way than the others alternate to our continuous current, direct current, and so with appropriate design engineering it a little bit you can harness this excess of energy and transfer to the system so the efficiency of
the motor increases very fast, you know, when you have the torque and efficient high efficiency, right.
Richard: So you're just putting little pulses of energy, maybe not little, what's what's the what's the voltage that you're putting in as
Cesar: a pulse, any voltage, it can be from 12 volt, 9 volts, okay, so one and a half
Richard: volts, all right, you got a nine volt battery
Cesar: and you're putting in a pulse of energy from this nine volt battery,
Richard: yeah, fairly quickly, I'm assuming that's
Cesar: not enough to drive torque of a fan or anything like that, so what else is happening within this system.
What happens is this, the coils and the the rotor, the the spinning part of the the motor, they must enter in resonance because the the very idea is this, Richard, there is a resonance between the electric elements of the motor and the magnetic elements of the motor. When they get into a specific resonance they enter in resonance with what, with this essential energy that I said before, and when you have this phenomenon of resonance the smaller source begins to get energy from the greater source.
And what is the greater source? It's the vacuum. And the smaller source is the motor. So the motor works like a radio with a radio station. The radio station is the vacuum and the motor is the radio set. And when they get in resonance you begin to extract energy from outside the system.
Richard: Let me try that. To clarify this even more, Cesar, because this is a new idea and so for most of us we're kind of going, what?
How are we? Okay, so Dr. Keppe says in his book that the magnetic field is not generated by the magnet. For sure, no. But simply captured by the magnetized iron in the same way that the energy that forms our feelings and ideas is not produced by the brain, but captured from the exterior. We are capturing devices. This maybe is an essential element in Dr.
Cappi's work. I'd like you to try to explain a little
Cesar: bit more. Yeah, Richard, this is fascinating because Dr. Cappi's work began with psychotherapy and when you have a sick person, mentally speaking a sick person, and he makes uh undergoes the trilogical psychotherapy and he begins to get healthier, he starts to enter more in resonance with the same energy through his feelings and thoughts.
So if you have better thoughts and better feelings your action will be also better and with the the better you get the more energy you get because you are more in resonance with this energy. The same is the same principle of the motor. The motor is just a proof of what happens in psychotherapy. So the motor, what we do is to make it to we force it to enter into resonance with the space so it gets energy from outside, it's capturing, it's pulling, yes, pulling in.
Any human beings can do the same thing in therapy. Once you do good action like Dr Capi explains vastly in his books you start to receive energy from outside and this energy is able even to cure, to heal your sick tissues in your body. So that's why we here have noticed and we have witnesses cures that people would would say wow this is miraculous but it is true,
Richard: is documented, because of therapy, the process of therapy putting the person more in resonance with this essential energetic field of goodness, of truth, of beauty.
You touched
Cesar: a very sensitive point now because what is the capimotor, the capimotor is the the very structure of the human being in a lower level, in a level of a machine. The capimotor represents the human being, the feelings and thoughts in technological terms, is a technological device to represent the human structure, that's
Richard: what it is, isn't that beautiful. One of the things I think for the Keppe motor that that I love and watching you guys work and I don't pretend to understand technologically what's happening but I think it's a very beautiful physical proof of what Dr Keppe has been saying philosophically and psychologically for many many years, that we are truly capturers of information.
Our motors today are very neurotic because they're working within the generation of electricity at a secondary level, not this capturing. And we human beings are the same. We're trying to live our lives based on what we think. We want to build our self-esteem. We want to create our careers. We want to develop better relationships. Instead of resonating with the truth of ourselves that already exists.
Cesar: You said it all. You said that we want to be the builders of our own destiny in the sense that we think we are gods. But there is a superior force, and we must link to it. And by doing that, we have our destiny, the best of all.
Richard: Now tell me about what you're developing with the motor, because you're saying new developments coming every hour in the laboratory.
And what I read from the
Cesar: website is already out of date. So what are you achieving here with this Keppe motor? Well, lately we achieved and we confirmed the over-unity machine. And what means...
Richard: It's available on YouTube, by the way, if you want to see Keppe motor over-unity. There's a very nice video that Cesar and Roberto have produced that's published on YouTube now.
You can find it on the Keppe motor site as well, kepimotor.com. So just to put in a little plug there. Even
Cesar: that, the motor of the video is already out of date.
Richard: Two days and it's
Cesar: old. We had much better ones now. The power is increasing and the coefficient of performance is increasing fast. The way we engineer the motor, the outcome is much, much better.
The only problem now is that we, so far, it's a low power until 18 watts useful. 18 watts.
Richard: Useful.
Cesar: But let me clarify this. When I say 18, people will say, okay, oh, but that's too little. But take, for example, a fan, a domestic fan, a 60-watt domestic fan. How much of that energy it consumes from the power grid? How much do you think?
It gets 60 out
Richard: of the power grid. Do you know how much of this 60 is useful? Only maximum 5. It means the fan throws away 55.
Cesar: It's like a vampire, these motors, they are vampires of the power grid. So the Keppe motor we can make it with 4 watts produce the same 5 watts of a fan. So this is fantastic because you are creating more energy in mechanical form than electrical energy you are taking from the source.
You
Richard: put in 4 watts, you get 5, this is over unity. So
Cesar: we did it three times, a little bit more than three times so far, and we can increase it, uh, it's limitless what we can increase. The problem we are limited in our lab installations and we are limited with the time also to develop motors and not that easy, we are only three guys working on that, you
Richard: know.
What's happening with partnerships, other people participating around the world because people are buying the Keppe motor kits now, the Keppe motor manuals are available where they and understand and put together a simple Keppe motor.
Cesar: Yeah, what's happening with worldwide interest in this? There has been a lot of responses, positive responses to that.
Richard: Thousands of emails.
Cesar: Thousands of emails, yes. And it's amazing.
We don't even know what to do with so much response. This means the people are awaking for the energy problem. They really want to solve it and they want to help. They want to give us support somehow. And we are trying to deal with this, to organize all of these responses and try to enter in contact with these people and get this thing forward as soon as possible.
Richard: What are your plans for commercializing this, making it available? This fan you're talking about or any other motor, where are you in that process? That's moving forward, I'm sure. First
Cesar: of all, I would like the listeners to know that we granted this patent of the motor to the association STOP the Destruction of the World. Because they are extremely idealistic and I consider myself idealistic and Roberto too and we want to see the energy problem of the world solved as soon as possible.
And so I believe the association is handling that and the association knows what to do with this patent and I know we have many contacts with enterprises, big enterprises, German enterprises, American enterprises who are interested in developing the motor, scaling it up, you know, because 18 useful watts is still too little for big applications. But you already have a substantial range of the market covered.
And
Richard: it's very important to say, too, that the science behind this is extremely well put together. It's a science that really is consistent in every area that you apply it. And so what we're talking about here is very early stages of a new development and
Cesar: it's dynamic and changeable. Dynamic. Every week
Richard: has been
Cesar: a surprise for us. Every week is a surprise.
The first motor we did over Unity had three units put together. One week later, we achieved three times more power with five times less weight and less things and just one rotor, just one unit. You know so the thing is increasing increasing fast. Yeah I believe very soon we are expecting some material from China. Now I believe very soon we will have a one one horsepower motor a little bit bigger than one hand than your hand.
What I
Richard: think is most important wherever this goes and it's going very fast and it's going to become something really incredible. It's such a wonderful breath of fresh air from the usual way of thinking about science that even Stephen Chu, our new Secretary of Energy in the United States, doesn't perceive yet. So the world is totally ready for something completely new. And when the concept, the disinverted concept from Dr.
Keppe's work, when that begins to enter, we're going to see an explosion of useful materials, motors, new ways of energizing the planet. And also
Cesar: Richard there is one thing we didn't mention. If this motor is getting energy from the vacuum and transferring it into the second form which is electricity and magnetism to make to spin and it's over unity it means it has an excess of energy.
It produces more than it consumes and the production the more production is not only in the form or mechanical form, but it's being spread out to the environment. And this motor could be also a kind of stabilizer, energetic stabilizer. For the environment.
Richard: Because it's taking this organizing energy from the vacuum of space, it's a beautiful energy. It's not
Cesar: a destructive energy in any way.
Many people have reported to have felt good near the motor. And we are exploring therapeutic possibilities for this new technology. This is a brave
Richard: new world down here. And our wish really is to share it with the rest of the world. Make sure you get on my mailing list to stay updated rich at richjonesvoice.com. There's always something beautiful emerging out of Dr.
Keppe's work. This is Thinking with Somebody Else's Head. I'm Richard Lloyd Jones. Talk to you next time.
