Richard Lloyd Jones: I'm Richard Lloyd Jones, and this is Thinking with Somebody Else's Head. The Urban Dictionary offers a comprehensive definition of what is a magnetic personality. "It's a person with a sense of calm self-confidence and authenticity," they say, "who others are drawn to instinctively." There's a lot in that statement. It could be a keen intellect, a personal charm, and highly developed capacity to connect with others, and impressive competence in something.
But a magnetic personality does attract us. If we're not too envious, we notice and admire the difference in these people. We also know the deceptions that occur in this personality type. Hitler was said to be very charismatic and attentive when he wanted to be, and psychopaths are often notorious charmers. So there would appear to be some significant other requirements necessary for the magnetic personality in question to be valuable and useful for society.
And it's in this area that we must turn to metaphysics if we're to really understand this phenomenon. And perhaps unlock the door to our own nascent magnetism, the human being's magnetic inner life, today on Thinking with Somebody Else's Head. We are, as always, streaming 24-7 on our very own Stop Radio network.
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Just download Thinking with Somebody Else's Head as a Podcast in iTunes Podcasts. So a lot of options there. Lately, Dr. Norberto Keppe has been talking a lot about magnetism. This has been spurred, I believe, by the open-hearted welcome in China and now India for the Keppe motor, a magnetic motor that captures the essential scalar energy from space that makes it, and herein lies the Chinese interest, up to 90% more efficient than the best small motors on the market today.
So the Keppe motor is a great innovation that opens the door to a consideration of the energy available for free in the universe that the great Nikola Tesla accessed for his later experiments. And you know what opening that door signifies, right? A consideration of the source of this essential energy, the being Aristotle called the prime mover of the universe, Allah, Jehovah, God, the Great Spirit, whatever you call it, the Keppe motor is reconnecting the human being with the Creator, and that is no small thing.
Although it is precisely what Keppe's Science of Analytical Trilogy endeavors to do, Keppe has stated his scientific purpose as one of leading the human being to the goodness for which he was created. That's no small thing, is it? And it's present in any aspect of his work you care to examine. Just pick up any of Keppe's books and you'll see this stated continually and in many ways.
You'll also get a strong dose of that high idealism. Of course, I don't suspect the Chinese are looking first to that aspect. They're principally drawn to the efficiency and energy savings potential of the Keppe motor, and that's probably enough for now. But engineer Alexandre Frascari was telling us that India, that's an entirely different matter.
When he went there back in 2009, there was a lot of interest in Keppe's new physics from academics there.
One physics professor actually went every day to Alex's new physics booth at a science trade show, desperate to get his hands on Alex's only copy of Keppe's new physics book. Alex finally gave in and gave him the last copy the day he was leaving. So why all this interest in India? Well, the professor apparently was impressed at how Keppe scientifically explains things that were written in the 4,000-year-old Vedic Hindu religious texts.
So the seemingly small thing of a new magnetic motor, brings a whole universe of new metaphysical knowledge, or perhaps it's better to say it opens the door to forgotten universal wisdom ignored by our materialistic and positivistic Western world. All that to say that magnetism, as Keppe explains it, is much more than a study of iron filings forming around the magnetic field of your store-bought U-shaped magnet.
Cláudia Bernhardt Pacheco joins us for a fascinating and challenging journey into Keppian metaphysics when we return. The human being's magnetic inner life is coming up on Thinking with Somebody Else's Head.
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Cláudia Bernhardt Pacheco: Since the beginning of all civilizations, they had always manifested an enormous interest and knowledge about the spiritual life and spiritual beings.
Richard: It's a world of ancient wisdom that modern science has eliminated.
The arising philosophy of positivism preferred to base science on material happenings.
Cláudia: So, only what you can see and touch and feel is real.
Richard: Now, spirituality is being put back into science.
Cláudia: Imagine what would happen if people start considering this as a real thing, not only as a religious thing, but also a real scientific thing.
Imagine what would happen.
I'm
Richard: Richard Lloyd Jones, and you're listening, of course, to Thinking with Somebody Else's Head. Our program originates from the International Society of Analytical Trilogy in São Paulo, Brazil.
And we've created our own radio station to hold all the programs I've been recording since, wow, 2006, I think, seven years or so. When I have my discussions with Dr. Cláudia Bernhardt Pacheco, which, by the way, are high watermarks of my intense weeks down here, And I hope that sense of specialness is tangible to you as you listen. We don't always have a clear idea or clear map of what we're going to talk about.
Today's conversation was one of those. Because Cláudia is buried deep in her regular psychoanalysis practice and the heightened activity around the Keppe motor, which she also oversees, very busy woman, I'm not even sure sometimes if she's going to make it to our scheduled interview time. Sometimes she just appears here, kind of out of the blue, and I'm not expecting it. Today was one of those times.
And when this happens, I just sit her down, position the mic, and start recording with no clear idea where we're going. You don't want to miss a word when Dr. Cláudia starts talking. So today, we're going to kind of pick up Cláudia in mid-idea. I hope you enjoy.
Cláudia: I got so upset when I heard that the bees are disappearing. Vanished. They don't know where they go.
This is scary. Maybe this is scary thoughts.
Richard: 70% of the bees. In
Cláudia: some areas, 70%. In some areas, 50%. Some areas, 30% of the bees disappearing. I used to buy honey in Minas
Gerais, where I used to be one of the biggest producers of honey, honey bees.
Cláudia: And they export. But last year, from a few years behind, the quantity of bees and honey started to go down and down and down.
From 300 baujis, how do you call this, containers? Barrels,
Richard: maybe. Barrels, yeah.
Cláudia: "Now they didn't make even 20. Oh, my gosh. So it's really something scary. And then I entered the internet and put on the Google, honey, bees, et cetera. And if you look there, you get even more scared." "Yeah. Because this is all over the planet."
Richard: "But Giroldo was talking about this when he came here. Remember?"
Cláudia: "I remember."
Richard: "And then we forgot." "And we forgot, exactly.
Cláudia: I kind of forgot. And then now it came back because I wanted to buy honey. And the guy said, we don't have honey to sell this year. Because exporters are coming and selling everything. So I have to have to my customers. I said, what? You don't have honey anymore to sell? And he said, no. And each year it's becoming worse. And you know what happens if the bees disappear?
No pollinization." "No, of course. No fruits, no flowers, no trees,
Richard: no nothing, no life in the plant."
And
Cláudia: it's really scary. And this morning I was reading about epigenetics and the studies they are carrying lately. And so we see them developing the thesis that Dr. Keppe developed in his book, The New Physics, in 1995. And it's good to see that at least a portion of the population is realizing that virtues or attitudes, they really, really do matter in terms of health and what happens in the planet.
You know, Richard, we are a kind of motors or a kind of channeling motors of energy. We should grasp a lot of magnetism and this transcendental energy coming from God, from the universe, which is, it's like it enters our body. We have lots and lots and lots and millions of antennas, small antennas inside our cells. Antennas inside.
Richard: Antennas, sorry. To capture.
Cláudia: To capture.
Our neurons are antennas. Our DNA are antennas.
Inside of our cells, we have the
Richard: mitochondria.
Cláudia: And we have many bastonettes. It's all things that work like antennas. Our teeth work like antennas. Incredible. They're
Richard: very important.
Our nerves, they work like antennas.
Richard: And the most frequent kind of energy is the magnetism, right? So we are magnetic beings. We should be. I actually wanted to talk to you about magnetism because, you know, when we think of magnetism, we think of, oh, you've got a funny look on your face.
You don't know.
Cláudia: I'm not a physicist. I'm not a physicist. No, where's the Keppe motor? Yeah. Because where's the Keppe motor engineers when we need them? You know where they are?
Richard: They're going to China, right?
Cláudia: They're producing new products, like new prototypes.
Richard: Yeah, for all sorts
Cláudia: of different products. Now we found a very good arm, industrial arm, and it's a company in China.
Yeah. And we are producing ceiling fans, table fans, exhaust. Exhausters. And we will produce fans and pumps with solar panels. Pumps
Richard: with solar panels so they can be accessed
Cláudia: where there's no electricity. That's fantastic. Yes, in Africa, in the Middle East.
Richard: Here in the north of Brazil, even.
Cláudia: Yes, a place where the electricity doesn't come. We are very happy to see that we are putting in practice this.
Richard: But let me come back to it. Even though you have that look on your face saying, I don't know if I can talk about magnetism. This is something I've been wanting to talk about for a while Because when we think of magnetism, we think of a magnet. And Dr. Keppe has been using the word magnetism to symbolize the essential energy. And so what's the difference?
Cláudia: Good
Richard: question. This
Cláudia: is interesting because people think that the magnetism comes from magnets.
Richard: Yes, exactly.
Cláudia: Or comes
Richard: from the North Pole or something.
Cláudia: They always link energy to something, like to some matter. Exactly. A particle, something that has mass.
Richard: Yeah, like gravity comes from
Cláudia: the graviton. Particles or mass. And so there are the magnetism of the magnets. But magnetism is all over the universe. And it's very much linked to what Keppe calls essential energy. And this magnetism feeds everything in the universe.
And so magnetic beings we are magnetic beings and we should be much more not electric but magnetic. Electricity is a distortion or a division of magnetism which is complete is integral and electricity is a kind of separation of the two vectors of magnetism. It's it's so it becomes deformed it becomes a monster it becomes dangerous it becomes dangerous for health
Richard: because it's taken away from the the other part
Cláudia: of it.
"Yeah right so it's it's a kind of putting magnetism inside the wires and not being able to control it properly and to misuse it. So this is how Keppe as I understand Keppe explained this but magnetism is so important because it brings the growth of the vegetation, plants, animals, human beings. And we had in the past, in the end of the 19th century, beginning of the 20th century, a lot of experiments between magnetism and health.
They treated pain and even mental illnesses with magnets. But now, understanding magnetism and the maximum expression of magnetism, which is the basic energy that brings forward all the other energies and matter as well. So magnetism would be the essence of energy, the essential energy that combined in some vibrations, different vibrations, they form this and that element.
Richard: Now, Keppe does this a lot."
He takes words and he redefines them. He did this with the word envy many years ago. People thought envy was one thing and he's making it a much bigger explanation. Is he doing the same with magnetism because he seems so right because magnetism because
Cláudia: it's it's liberating the concept from this link to matter and mass. Yes magnetism is beyond or it's even before mass it forms mass it brings life to mass and to us.
So people think oh what should I eat what should I do in terms of lifestyle, should I exercise more or less, or should I drink this or that, but they never focus really on the very source of magnetism and energy, which is mostly coming from our psychological, our mental, our spiritual, our invisible life, our
Richard: interior life,
Cláudia: which is mostly consciousness consciousness good feelings good and truthful thoughts.
So our mind should be fed by magnetism all the time through uh right uh right concepts good feelings good intentions, good actions, you know. So this would be the very source of energy and magnetism to us. And this is able to go inside the genes and work inside the genes and the cells and make them better and make them
Richard: heal. Is magnetism a word for essential energy?
Cláudia: Yeah, we could say it's
Richard: a synonym. Yeah, because we have to get away from this concept in
Cláudia: physics. We could say this. I'm not totally 100% sure if we are going
Richard: to find another kind of energy beyond magnetism. But so far from what we know, so far, magnetism would be the first energy known in space. Maybe the first manifestation of this energy would be magnetism, right?
Maybe
Cláudia: we could
Richard: name it as magnetism, or maybe if we would say
Cláudia: that God is giving his energy to the universe, this energy might be called magnetism already.
And I am not sure whether we
Richard: would have something before magnetism. Okay, so when you say we're magnetic beings, you mean that in our true state, we are captures and transmitters of this essential energy in some way. Yes. And then our necessity then is to be as much in harmony with this essential energy as possible. So we capture it and then, of course, transmit it through our actions.
Would this be a fair?
Cláudia: Yeah, good feelings and good intentions. This is very magnetic. Feelings of love, affection, goodness, mercy, charity, hope. Good feelings. Faith. This is all magnetic.
Richard: Yeah, this is beautiful because there's – in Malachi Martin's book about exorcism, he talked about how one of the principal causes of possession, as he called it in his book, was when somebody began to destroy their inner ethics.
They began to question, well, what's the difference between good and bad?
You were talking about this in our group analysis with one of our clients last week about how this client had distorted completely. There was no difference for him between good and evil and bad. Everything was possible. This creates an enormous distortion inside the human being.
Cláudia: Yeah, because magnetism is like what moves us, makes us move ahead. Yeah. It's like the energy, the food for our motor, the motor of our beings.
So if we stop the vibration of this magnetism in us, and we do this by stopping our thoughts, the truth in our minds, wanting to be alienated, wanting to forget, wanting to... To forget. You have many means to forget things. You think about alienating yourself, deviating your thoughts, stopping your mind. It's like stopping magnetism to work. Because magnets and magnetism, it's pure vibration.
It's not stopping anything. It's pure. The more it moves ahead, the more magnetic you become. It's like a motor that feeds a generator the faster it moves it generates
Richard: faster it generates more right? Yes
Cláudia: the
Richard: faster it
Cláudia: runs the light the most capacity of lightening things it gives
Richard: bringing light
Cláudia: to things
Richard: you're talking about stilling the mind calming the mind, that's the whole idea behind meditation Yeah,
Cláudia: meditation is blanking your mind.
This is like stopping energy, stopping vibration in your mind. So if you have negative thoughts, you have to identify these negative thoughts in order to distinguish what are they thoughts about. Should I be worried with this or should not I be worried with this? Is this a morbid kind of thought or it's a realistic, reasonable preoccupation I must have? So you have to use your reason.
You have to look to your feelings with your rational mind and have this filter. So we have to like to look inside also and to see what am I thinking? What am I feeling? And be the master of your life. If not, you are led by wrong energies, like stop everything or like being afraid or sometimes being like jumping on dangerous situations and putting yourself in danger.
Like I have a client, he lives in Canada, and he was like thinking he was very active, but in his mind he must have had, during his activity, he was fixing a roof or something in his garden and then he fell off.
Richard: Off the scaffolding.
Cláudia: Oh, my God, and he broke his arm, and he almost broke his neck.
Richard: Yeah, really.
Cláudia: And he would be like in a wheelchair today.
And thanks God, he preserved himself, the angels or himself, his instinct of life preserved himself.
But he's in a very big pain now. So now he's in a phase that he's paying attention to everything he thinks and he wishes to do because the impulses, they may come from a dark inner side of us that we are not paying attention to. So many kids, they suffer accidents because of this. They jump. They follow the instincts. And we call instincts erroneously.
We might say impulses. We might say desires or suggestions. Some Christians call this temptations. Suggestions or temptations they are almost the same there they are very much alike because our unconscious and this energies around us are very much alike they are very much in tune. So you must pay attention because if we pay attention we are using our magnetism we are using correctly our mind and we we filter ideas and feelings that may hinder us from taking in magnetism.
Not
Richard: just accepting every idea that comes into our head but actually using our ability to discern whether that's a smart idea or a stupid idea.
Cláudia: Discernment is something
Richard: important discernment
Cláudia: and the same thing when you're going to eat when you're going to drink when you are crossing a road you have to use your discernment even much more what is going on in your mind and your inner life because this is the most important the central source of energy the central source of health.
Absolutely the central healing in our beings healing organism is our our inner life.
Richard: We can't just let our mind go wherever it
Cláudia: wants and we do this we pay attention to all yeah and what where am I going on the weekend how much money do I have what am I going to buy everything like in the horizontal material like sensorial life and the very source of everything we just leave it like behind or let it be.
But if we exercise our mind properly if we if we make use of this mechanism this motor, which is our mind and our heart, our being, if we activate the consciousness, so we help ourselves a lot. This neurasthenico, capacete neurasthenico, which is this neurasthenic cap, neurotic cap, people feel this a lot. And in some cases, they are so disturbed, so disrupted in their everyday life by these uncomfortable feelings, as if there is a pressure in your mind and in your...
Richard: In your
Cláudia: skull. Your skull. Your skull feels too small for your brain. Yeah, it's physically sensitive. Yeah. And this is all related to energy. And so you can help yourself by exercising your consciousness. So like we do, we are talking, we are using our trilogical ideas, and this is very helpful. But we can also, for instance, stop and read a little bit.
"And it will be very difficult because if we read, in order to start reading, I mean reading useful literature, mostly Keppe's books, for instance, they are very therapeutic. So you have to force yourself to start because it requires effort. And then when you start, little by little, you will be fed by the energy that is in those phrases, those paragraphs, those
Richard: concepts." "That's interesting what you said because that means like that's like then we're like being attracted to, magnetically attracted to something that's good for us.
Cláudia: Not always we do feel attracted, but we have
Richard: to force ourselves." "Well, once we start in the process, then
Cláudia: we enter into like a magnetic
Richard: resonance with this, and then we feel
Cláudia: drawn in in a bigger way. And relieved. Oh, my God.
Richard: This is interesting because, you know.
Cláudia: Oh, my God. Thanks, God."
I was liberated from that negative feeling.
Richard: You know, one of the things that my students have the most difficulty to understand, Cláudia, is that they could have bad intentions, that they could have resistance to what's good. People don't. This is like a new concept for them. Because, you know, if you ask people, do you want to be happy? Everybody will say yes.
But we have so much misery on the planet, there must be something wrong with that. But people don't perceive. And as we go deeper in the class, you can see that people start to have consciousness that they do resist what's good. We have a resistance to it. So we have to over, what you're talking about in a sense is overcoming that initial resistance to enter into resonance.
And then the magnets kind of attract each other somehow or something like that.
"I'm seeing it this way.
Cláudia: Yesterday, I was attending a client. She's a very beautiful woman, and she got married with a powerful rich man, and she's extremely jealous of her husband. And she goes after his cell phones to see what kinds of
Richard: communications he
has. And sometimes she sees
Cláudia: and finds what she doesn't like, or she finds what she's looking for. And now she's starting to realize that her mother did that a lot she grew up seeing her mother be inside the house weeping sick um complaining blaming her father for all that went wrong with her um putting the blame on her father for all the unhappiness she felt up to a point that she she like she got sicker and she died her mother and she learned to blame her father for everything like he had lovers he didn't treat her her mother well bra so she sees she learned to see man as evil ones, as the bad guys, as the source of unhappiness."
"But this really doesn't happen that often to her, because her husband is very good to her, very affectionate. He may have some flirting, but he is very good to her. And I told her, look, do you realize that there is this possibility of your mother having been very sick and her unhappiness being for her own behavior against life because she used your father as an excuse to be destroying her life all the time and being unhappy the way she wished and also blaming her husband.
Richard: And she couldn't be happy because he was the way he
Cláudia: was." "Yeah, and not that...
Richard: She was the way he
Cláudia: was." "And she used to say he drank. And I said, but this situation was like a drink. Like a pinga we say in Portuguese.
Richard: This alcohol that we have
Cláudia: here. So she couldn't live without this. She couldn't live without this drama. This opera.
So this living a drama, it's very close to women."
And they prefer to deny life, blaming her husbands instead of living their own lives and being happy and accepting life. So this counter attitude, this counter reaction, this reaction against life is very, very common in women. So yesterday this client started to realize not only she does this, her husband, or looking inside his cell phone is like her pinga, his alcohol.
Richard: It's like her drink.
His
Cláudia: drink, her drink.
Richard: She doesn't hide it in the laundry basket. She just goes into his cell phone to find
Cláudia: it. "Yeah, exactly." But not only she does this, but every time she's feeling truly happy, she has this kind of temptation, this impulse. That's when she enjoys the most to think about the betrayals and what is her husband doing against her.
Richard: "You're saying something now, Cláudia, that just it's triggering so many thoughts."
Cláudia: So the first time she thought, I'm against the good.
Richard: I'm against the good, not that the husband, because, you know, many people use these kinds of experiences outside to justify.
Cláudia: And there are so many.
Richard: I see this in public speaking. I've been working with my students in public speaking, and they say, well, I'm afraid to public speak because I'm afraid of what others will say.
And I say, well, there may be other people that judge you. That's possible. That could happen. But so what? I mean, why are you going to let that stop you from expressing yourself? But they do. This is like their pinga, their drink, that I can't speak because other people will judge me and not that I can't speak because I
Cláudia: don't want to speak because I have a resistance because I don't want to speak.
So we should ask the person what do you associate speaking with, like communicating what you have to say.
And they will probably say, living or helping, shining, success, giving love, helping other people, expressing my knowledge, whatever good.
Richard: Showing what I can do.
Cláudia: Yeah. So, being accomplished, development.
Richard: And that's what they don't want. That they don't want. It's
Cláudia: incredible what we don't want. We are inverted. How
Richard: is it possible?
Cláudia: We are upside down. We are on the contra of life.
Richard: Goodness is always difficult to accept.
It is how Keppe writes about this in his seminal book, The Origin of Illness, which lays out his therapeutic vision and principles. And strange as this seems, it can really provide some insight into those crazy things we do. That is our program for this week. The program is Thinking with Somebody Else's Head. We're always pleased to be with you and do appreciate your emails, so do that once in a while.
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