Richard Lloyd Jones: I'm Richard Lloyd Jones, and this is Thinking with Somebody Else's Head. As we turn the page on what was surely one of the most unprecedented years in modern history, we look forward to better times in 2021. It's natural to do that. Greet the new with optimism. Hope, after all, springs eternal in the human breast, as Alexander Pope noted some 300 years ago.
But this new year, there is trepidation present in the mix, maybe even despair in some. Fear not, however, the genius board of directors at the World Economic Forum is on the case. Well, that's supposed to allay the angst of uncertainty, but in some of us is even greater cause for concern. Will the cure be worse than the sickness? That's a great possibility, given that the way out they'll be proposing later this month is being elaborated by the very brain trust that is mostly responsible for leading us into the crisis in the first place.
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Richard: A key inversion in science.
Cesar Soós: Always we are trying to extract energy from a material element.
Richard: And its negative consequences.
Cesar: We provoke serious imbalances in nature.
Richard: Corrected now with the Keppe Motors disinversion of physics.
Cesar: And we developed a way to have mechanical power with very little electricity.
Cláudia Bernhardt Pacheco: This will make a big change, not only in energetic efficiency, but also it will bring better energy in homes because it's magnetic energy.
Richard: The Keppe Motor. New technology for a new world.
Humankind's greatest problem is thinking that what we don't see won't hurt us. Norberto Keppe. Disinverting the human being and society.
Richard: Welcome back to Thinking with Somebody Else's Head. I'm Richard Lloyd Jones, and my special guest today is Dr. Anthony Mueller. Dr. Mueller is a German professor of economics, currently teaching at the Federal University of Sergipe here in Brazil.
He's a former Fulbright scholar in the U.S. And has worked all over Europe and the Americas. He's the author of a number of books on economics and politics. It's wonderful to have him on the program today. Welcome, Dr. Mueller.
Anthony Mueller: Hi, how are you?
Richard: Okay, yeah, just fine, thank you. Great to have you with us. I want to jump right in today. You know, in talking about the aftermath of the coronavirus, what's coming next, maybe there's a parallel to be made with 9-11.
After 9-11, they were able to implement the Patriots Act in the United States and have been strengthening that over the years. And most Americans probably don't know that many of those regulations have never been taken away. The freedoms that were stripped away have not been returned to the people after 9-11. And this, I think, is a big concern. And I know a concern that you have.
What's coming after the coronavirus, what they're planning after the coronavirus, this great reset that they're planning for January 2021? When
Anthony: you mentioned the Great Reset, it leads to the World Economic Forum. And now when we characterize the World Economic Forum, it is a private initiative started by Klaus Schwab, who turned it into a very successful global meeting point of, let's simply call it, the managerial governmental elite.
I know this organization for a long time, so I always had some look what's going on about stock market things and new movements. This however took a change in the last couple of years when more and more the environmental agenda what was put forth. And suddenly also some kind of person showed up that you wonder what they are really doing there, like Prince Charles.
Prince Charles is a radical environmentalist. And so this is a turn that first surprised me. The second point is that before that you had the impression that it is, let's put it simply, pro-capitalist, pro-market, pro-business and so on. And suddenly you see a turn going on where you are surprised because it seems as they prefer some kind of Soviet style or better even Chinese style of economy.
The popular name is red capitalism. That's what what I take from from what does that
Richard: what does that what does that mean
Anthony: though red capitalism. It means that that you have basically a capitalist structure, you have enterprise, you have businesses, you have managers, but everything is in the hand of the Red Communist Party. Okay. So there won't be now in the Western countries a communist party, but you can replace this party by the World Economic Forum members.
They decide almost like a party meeting in which direction the world should be going and they have the power to impose this way due to the membership of this managerial elite.
Richard: You've talked about this kind of technocracy movement, which I think we should talk a little bit about. You talk about it in an article I was reading of yours, excellent article by the way, that this technocracy, this sort of solution through technology, not even through government anymore, through technology, through algorithms and stuff, involves close cooperation between the heads of the digital industry and of governments.
And I think this is one of the things that's really hard for people to get their heads around, Dr. Mueller, that there are committees that are sitting and discussing what's going to go on. It's very hard for us to understand that that happens at this global level. I think we know sort of that there are meetings going on, but that they're actually planning and lobbying and writing position papers for governments.
This is not well understood. How do you see these meetings going on? What's actually happening? Are there planning sessions where they're saying, we're going to do this, we're going to do that? Is it as literal as that?
Anthony: Well, the idea of an expertocracy is pretty old. Well, one can go back to Plato, actually. And it has regained a strong attraction already in the times of the Enlightenment.
And where these ideas came up of the, to make the human being more perfect. And so this is, it has a high standing philosophical tradition. Now, when we come to the middle of the 19th century, the theory of Darwin came up. And it was only natural to say this natural evolution, how could we accelerate it? Few people read the book of Darwin, but I did.
And most of what he talks about is how to breed certain animals, dogs or hens or chickens or whatever. And so this idea of breeding the human race has found many adherents in the Victorian England. And this has been going on also into the 20th century. There were prominent eugenicists like John Maynard Keynes and a famous economist in the United States, Irving Fisher.
Irving Fischer was a proponent of eugenics and of the prohibition. Prohibition was also part of it, yet to improve mankind. And also the idea came very much into this elite circles, which does not need a membership
Cesar: card. Yes, but you're there, you know these friends at certain universities, particularly in the United States.
Richard: Yes so that we in in quotation mark must lead the masses and just just give us an overview of eugenics because maybe that's an old movement that maybe people aren't aware of today.
We don't hear about eugenics, we hear about transhumanism as you've talked about, but yes what what eugenics is population control in a broad sense.
Anthony: Eugenics got a bad name because of the nazi movement. So after the Second World War, one avoided this word. And later on came the same meaning under a different name, transhumanism, transforming the human being. Eugenics has this EU in its name from Greek, which means good, to improve the genetics.
That's eugenics in the original sin. And now when we look at the texts of the proponents, and I'm talking about from the middle of the 19th century to about 30s of the 20th centuries, yes, you also have this strong idea to eliminate the useless classes.
Richard: Undesirable elements of the culture.
Anthony: The people that are not used, and you can find statements that blow you away by prominent persons like George Bernard Shaw, who, long before the Nazis, suggested a humane, he called it humane, gassing of undesirable population.
And he really made it like a theater as a playwright, that every three or five years, people must show up to a kind of committee, which is similar to a tax agency, and must justify their existence. What is my contribution to the world and now comes a situation where this whole thing gets very dramatic because with digitalization robotization automation 80 percent of the population are basically useless they were very helpful in the first industrial in the second industrial phase.
Now, when we look back in Ford's factory, there were a lot of people employed and at gas stations and so on and repair shops. But now in the digital age, most of these people are needed anymore. Even a modern car factory is almost completely automated and you only need person with a very high education, and all these regular guys have no place.
So this is a policy fully against the common man. So this is a massive change in the structure of the economy.
Richard: I think Brzezinski called this massive population that has no use anymore, I think he called them useless eaters right. This was the yes yes the term that they use, which is an absolutely horrible yeah you know. And I know that marx and engels loved the discoveries of darwin because it gave them justification for the eternal struggle of the classes leading to evolution of the species and all these things.
So now what's going on it seems is this this idea again of social engineering. And you've talked about that in your articles. Is this what's behind the Great Reset? Although it's being presented as like this necessary thing that it's going to be good and fantastic and just follow us and we'll lead you to nirvana idea, behind it is this kind of engineering of society.
Is that how you see it?
Anthony: Well, this process of the transformation of the economy has been going on in its natural form by the market economy. There's also a trend, quite visible, of a declining birth rate, also more or less automatic. And the structural change of the economy towards more automation has been going on for quite some time. So what would happen is the same process, but in a smooth human way.
And instead of this now being forced upon the humankind with a lot of costs that are absolutely not necessary, things get exaggerated out of proportion, like this idea of an overpopulation. I think it's not justified. And the other thing combined with that is the environmental threat, the global warming. And this seems to justify a radical move to get rid of actually billions of people.
And well, we will see the effects of the present policies in the next years. And it will go on starting in early 21. Yeah you know
Richard: Dr. Norberto Keppe I work a lot with him down here in São Paulo Brazil and he has written a lot about the pathology of power, suggesting that the people that seek power are actually the sort of craziest amongst us, the sickest.
If we have a world of inverted values, then anybody who's getting to the top of a world with inverted values is the most inverted of all of us. And so this seems to be some of what's going on. It's kind of a sick mind that wants to reduce population.
Anthony: Well, let me be quite concrete about my experience. When I was about, yeah, when I had my doctorate, after I had my doctorate, yeah, it came into my mind, should I go into politics?
Like something like that always shows up. And I very much right away decided not to do it and continue with my scientific work. And like I had many friends and most of us went into business, into science and so on. But we also had a small group of people who did not feel, let's say, smart enough to do a good contribution in science, and they did not feel quite fit to have the burden of being in the business.
Yes and they they moved into the the green party made largely at that time in germany and we used to make fun of them yes all these crazy guys. I'm talking about the 70s, these green nuts and so on, and of course you know they were in these groups and then step by step they show up on tv and then suddenly now they are in the all the major positions, the same guys that we we left about.
And the other group in in germany, it's very interesting and this is scary yes, at the time of the unification when you were older than 40, that's what they said, you have no chance to survive in the capitalist system on your own right. But these guys went into politics now in the berlin senate when you. There are various guys who were at the SED in East Germany.
Now we have a mixture at the highest ranks of politics, which is amazing, which is shocking. Well, Merkel is the incarnation. She was, I mean, how could you get a doctorate in the Eastern Bloc without being a communist? Now, we have a mixture. Imagine people at the level of federal government and at the level of the city-states and in municipal parliaments who are a combination of green and former Communist Party members.
They have the power how interesting.
Richard: But let's let's come back to this great reset and you put together for me a very nice powerpoint that you were using for a presentation you did recently in for a european audience as I understand
Anthony: it, and
Richard: you're talking about the great reset
as being linked to this idea of new world order. And that's uh I think that's very clear, I think that's the next step of this new world order that the the elite are proposing for us.
But can I just go through some of the points that you have in your PowerPoint here and have you elaborate on them a little bit?
Richard: You talk about the establishment of a single global government, the dissolution of national armies, the creation of a global military intervention force, the elimination of all traces of national sovereignty. Are these your conclusions from what they're talking about, or is this actually on their agenda?
For
Anthony: each point, I can give a reference in the literature. The term New World Order has been pronounced several times by various leaders. Bush, the elder, was very clear about it. And Bush also, interesting enough, I still remember, was very keen on bringing Germany on board. That's the idea. As they say, if you have Germany, you have Europe. And so the new world order should actually bring about, after the end of the Cold War, a group of a handful of countries who rule the world now.
It was simply the idea that okay the the we have the nato, we have this group now now we have the they called it sometimes multipolar world or something like that, britschinski talked a lot of about yes he did escort and so on. So the idea basically is to bring together a number of key countries and so it's a small world so to speak.
You you already have the g7 that that is the formal presentation of
Richard: that and so we are the rulers of the world and now now comes the point yes and you can bring now uh biden on board. I mean imagine biden and merkel just to call these these two and trudeau and canada,
Anthony: well you can bring all of them together in this idea.
What will they try to do? They want and they depend, especially in Europe, on the environmentalist voters, on the green voters and so on, and the party coalition, governmental coalition, with bringing the ecological aspect on board. And so you have it. It's not a dramatic thing as a secret government somewhere sitting in the bunker, it's quite open, they have their annual meetings, they they come together.
And now what kind of persons are there now as a I always think it's important to see uh the individual yeah. Of course there are structural aspects to anything like politics and the economy, but in the end it is people who come together and make a different decision. And now when we see what kind of selection darwinian selection has been going on in in politics, you can see with hayek speaking the worst get to the top all right.
Richard: So they really have this idea of national sovereignty being outmoded. I remember uh edward bernays um who was freud's nephew was very involved in public relations talking about this in the 1920s right, the the conscious and intelligent manipulation of the masses is an important element in a democratic society, that we need an elite to control and govern. Even even rockefeller said this at some point, that the supranational sovereignty of an intellectual and world banker elite is certainly preferable to self-determination you know.
So there this is not this is not news for anybody who studies it, but it certainly is news if you follow the regular media because you don't hear anything about that. So these points that you're raising, I think, are like really crucial here. You also talked about this idea of a single world currency. That's obviously in the works. The establishment of a world central bank.
We sort of have that already with the Bank of International Settlements. The end of cash. Are these things that you see as coming as a result of this Great Reset too?
Anthony: Yes, of course. And these items are on the agenda for a long time already. You mentioned Bernays. And he was the person who managed to bring the United States into the First World War.
Due to massive propaganda, that's interesting to see. That it is amazing how public relations took over almost completely a country that was opposed to foreign involvement. Yeah, it was
Richard: not just getting women
Anthony: to smoke in public. There was this whole massive war movement. Yeah, that's really important to mention. Yes, and it was also a control of the media. And now, I recently studied the speech by Julian Huxley, the brother of Aldous Huxley who was the first director of the UNESCO, where he talks exactly about the eugenics for the world population that's totally necessary.
He said we do not have the space for idiots, he calls it like that, for defective people and so on, that that's in the in the in the official inauguration speech and you can find it on the website of
Richard: the UNESCO of the UNESCO of the UNESCO. And he also said the following, which is really amazing, yes, he
Anthony: said we also have to impose a standard of what is scientific.
The essence of science is the doubt, is the discussion, yes, so we have to, UNESCO must say what is the scientific truth. Be
Richard: the determiner, as the World Health Organization is doing today.
Anthony: Exactly, exactly, exactly, exactly the same way.
Richard: Okay, I don't want to keep you so much longer, but you're
Anthony: talking here, there's a lot of this
Richard: work now linked with the Great Reset, linked to the idea of environmental change and environmental protection it's being posed as.
And I think that's one of the ways they're selling this idea. Also, the safety of people with vaccines and protection for health problems. Of course, this is part of it. But I think this whole environmental mentality scares a lot of people. So the idea that they're going to address the environmental problems by phasing out fossil fuels, carbon-free production, government control of public transport, limitations on air travel, All these things people seem to me will want to accept because it's going to protect the environment.
Is this what they're using to sort of make this more palatable for us?
Anthony: Well, it is the trademark of the political movement called the Greens. In as much as the socialist movement lost hold position in the working class, The working class, basically after the war, has become lower middle class. So they could not longer attract these people with their socialist ideas. So the red movement became the green movement.
And so this ecological trademark, it was a movement. And this movement spread its wings into schools, into universities, into the parliaments. And let's say the the masses were yes were manipulated in believing that these things and it became after all nowadays a religion. It is not longer a political aspect or a scientific problem, it is a religion and if you doubt it you are the Heretic.
And you better get burned on the stake. The people believe in these. And the other thing that they also put out is this idea with a guaranteed minimum income.
Richard: Okay, so talk a little bit about that, because that looks like
Anthony: a fantastic thing, right? Right, right. The point is, as we talked already about it, in the coming years, there will be massive unemployment at a scale that we haven't even seen during the Great Depression.
And many of these people see their life work over. So we have a mess of really unemployable people, and they are in a desperate position now. The the social net as has been developed in Europe post-war was linked to work. So you worked and you gained your you were at the insurance system and and you could bank on on getting your old age pension this way.
You need a certain number of years and so on. And now comes the government and offers these people a minimum survival money without any strings attached. So you just get it, different from the social aid that you have to apply to and you have to register that you don't have extra money and and every year you have to proof that you're still needy.
I want to ask you
Richard: one more question. I want to let you go here. It's been a long interview and I really appreciate your time. This uh good behavior movement I think is part of what's behind this great reset, to be able to police how people act and what people do. And I was thinking about that as I was reading your article and other articles about this.
I was thinking you know I remember a speech that Martin Luther King gave where he said I'm proud to be maladjusted. I don't want to be adjusted to a system that's wrong. Gandhi said something similar. You have a moral obligation to fight an immoral law and uh to resist an immoral not to fight to resist an immoral law. So there's no room for maladjustment inside this this uh good behavior mentality that they're very advanced within China at the moment.
Anthony: That's horrible and this is a total changes. I I told for people like me who grew up in Europe after the war, I mean we wanted to be freaks. We had to be different and this made us really great persons I think, with the music and and later on the technology. The technology came out of this spirit. Let's go to San Francisco.
That was the spirit wearing long hair and being a freak and a hippie and on and then you have this pool of creativity. And now when it's established it turns around and becomes all the things that we hated, that my generation hated. And this is terrible thing to observe. There's this kind of turnaround that was only Peter Teal talked about, that the change of the mentality in Silicon Valley.
And well just let me make this point that that's in my heart. The the program then the reset the new world order will fail. It will cost a lot of lives. It will be horrible, but it will fail. Why will it fail? Exactly because of that. You cannot maintain a modern economy with conformatist people. The Chinese, as of now, they import the knowledge.
They can still import the knowledge. They can apply it in a very effective way. But when this stops, and there are not the freaks anymore among us. The whole evolution complex breaks down. So instead of a technocracy, we have a totally different world. We have a global breakdown if this should really happen. So it's really important to fight against that because we know it will fail.
It will not be a good future world. It will be a horrible situation exactly because of the point of creativity. That is
Richard: a wonderful point to end on, Dr. Mueller. It's true, isn't it? Compliance to a man-made, imposed system of behavior will never lead us to improvement. Not least because this binary algorithmic utopia being proposed, replete with vaccination cards for all and face recognition software to govern your social interactions, is so far from being truly human that it demands resistance.
Dystopia is not for me, and I suspect for you either. Happy New Year. All the best for 2021 from all of us at the Stop Radio Network. I'm Richard Lloyd Jones.
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