Richard Lloyd Jones: I'm Richard Lloyd Jones, and this is Thinking with Somebody Else's Head. Another Christmas period, and all that that brings. The packed parking lots, the festive yuletide happy hours, cooking and eating the fatted calf. And maybe in a quiet, reflective moment, a spark of Christmas spirit will catch flame inside you. And for a few seconds or moments, or if you're lucky, hours, you'll feel a deep sense of peace and connection with your fellow man of the universe that you recognize as the Christmas spirit.
Those tantalizing moments are tragically short-lived. Some of us complain that they don't like this time of year because we should have this spirit all year round. It's fake and phony, they say. But it doesn't feel that way to any who are still enough to allow themselves to receive the grace and depth of that spirit. The Holy Spirit, we can call it. And we should take time to remember that this time of year is for honoring that divine presence.
Yes, Christmas, of all times, is time to remember that. Glorification and the Christmas spirit. Today, I'm Thinking with Somebody Else's Head. Well, at this time of year, it's customary to remember friends and family. I'm a long way from my true family, but surrounded by friends. And especially you listening to our radio programs. So I give you, our Stop Radio Network listeners, a big all the best of the season to you.
Now, I'm not naive enough to believe that it's all peachy for everyone on the planet. Just because it's Christmas doesn't mean the horror and fury stops for all, or for any of us, actually. But for those who have relative peace and abundance, it falls on us to double our efforts to be the change we want to see in the world, as Gandhi put it.
Time to leave our selfish concerns a little and make our contribution to helping the world be a little bit better, because the suffering is real. In fact, we all suffer from this profane society we live in, and changing that means going deeply into ourselves to see how we are resistant to being the truth of what we are. Norberto Keppe's work shows us that the essence of life is goodness and truth and beauty, the values we raise high in this Christmas period, but the rejection of those essential elements is something we all do in our daily lives, and collectively, of course.
So treating that maliciousness inside ourselves is essential work for any who want to really participate in a new age. Augustine, after all, went deep to explore his evil tendencies as a way to be more virtuous. And Keppe helps us to do that as well by becoming conscious of the attitudes against goodness, truth, and beauty that we all hold. And I'm aware, as I write, that there is a big wave moving against defining universal virtue these days.
Moral relativism is high in interest as a philosophical worldview, and so the universal precepts are being stripped away from our language and law and even from our education. It's not a small thing either. When lawyers sue schools to remove Christmas from the seasonal presentation of a charty brown Christmas on the grounds it violates the separation of church and state, we who feel a little of the reverent Christmas spirit can sense it's all gone too far.
Senior citizens in Los Angeles were told they couldn't have Christmas trees in their apartment complex because Christmas trees are a religious symbol. Well, enough of this blowhard insanity. Let's talk about Christmas as it was meant to be talked about. Glorification and the Christmas spirit when Thinking with Somebody Else's Head returns on the Stop Radio Network.
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Our program, Thinking with Somebody Else's Head. Cláudia Baron-Happershaker is with me again. Good morning, dear Cláudia. Good
Cláudia Bernhardt Pacheco: morning, John. Good morning, our listeners.
Richard: We're coming close to the end of the world now. Why are you smiling? I'm
Cláudia: smiling because if the end of the world means the end of this world, I'm happy.
Richard: Yeah, me too. Exactly.
Cláudia: This organization, this world order, this spirit that we are now having to deal
Richard: with
Cláudia: and to like to carry like a cross. You're carrying a big cross now lately.
Richard: I was thinking of this because I was doing the introduction to a recent program we did called The Science of Spirits. And as I was writing it, I have many impressions as I'm writing these shows, writing the introduction to these shows.
Which I decided when I first started this program, I was going to be very faithful in scripting, not just going off the top of my head. I have many experiences as I'm writing these. One is that I often feel a lot of spiritual help, like an assistance. Ideas put in my mind, go to this book of Dr. Keppe's for inspiration, things that come to me that way.
At the same time, I have a lot of contact with my friends from Canada who are not very much believers in this aspect of what we talk about in our radio programs. They like a lot our social issues that we talk about. But when we get into these things more spiritual, more esoteric, transcendental, this is more difficult for them.
Cláudia: It's interesting because more and more lately you can watch TV programs that speak about ghosts, visions, demons, exorcisms, possessions, being haunted, seeing things that apparently do not exist, children that are followed by spirits and they talk to spirits.
But more and more and more, those channels, they bring a lot of options of those films. Interesting your friends are
Richard: so backwatered. Yeah. I come from this world, you know, and it's so interesting because it's like, as I'm writing, I can feel this kind of resistance, which also is in me, of course. But I can feel it related to what would my friend say if he heard this.
So I have to
Cláudia: plunge forward. And so I like these programs a lot because they give me an opportunity to deepen in my
Richard: understanding. Well, here we are coming to the end of the world as we know it. And I was reading, you and I received an email. Actually, I received this from one of our listeners, actually, about a doctor's experience with the afterlife called Heaven is Real.
It's a book he wrote. And one of our lovely listeners, Margaret, sent me this article thinking that you and I would be interested in this, and of course we are.
Cláudia: I am, and I read this article she sent. I
Richard: didn't read the book yet,
Cláudia: but I read the article and I appreciated it a lot. For sure,
Richard: and Margaret's a faithful listener. She's been listening for a number of years.
She sends me, every once in a while, she sends me articles. If you want to send ideas for us, we're really open to that.
But he described, and one of the things he described in his coma, he was in a coma for seven days, I believe. And, yeah, then he came out of the coma after seven days back in 2008.
Cláudia: But you have
Richard: to
Cláudia: mention that before that, he was absolutely skeptical. About those
Richard: life-after-life experiences, or life-after-death experiences, people that go and come back. He understood it was a product of the activity of the cells, brain cells, and these things. Yeah, neurons were not firing correctly.
Cláudia: And that's right. He's a neurosurgeon. And another interesting thing, this is the second case that I see about neuron surgeons being affected in their neurons.
One is a French doctor that wrote a book about how to heal, how he healed his cancer, the brain cancer, very, very rare kind of brain cancer. And it was exactly in the part of the brain that he was researching about. Yeah, and this guy also, he was studying the brain cells and he somatized in his brain. So this is so amazing because this is very common.
Like singers somatize in the throat. Oh, for sure. Heart, doctors of the heart, cardiologists, they many times somatized in the heart.
Richard: Piano players hurt their hands. Yes.
Cláudia: Yeah. So this is so amazing. Incredible, isn't it? To see that there is something going on in this area when people are interested in some professions and they focus in that area. And if the focusing of that area is due to some unconscious motive or if they are focusing wrongly that study, you feel the consequences because energetically speaking, conceptually speaking, You are dealing with wrong energies.
This is so amazing. Yeah, it's incredible. If you do a research on that, if anyone does a serious research, they will find amazing data. How often a person dies out of a disease or an accident related to his field of interest.
Richard: That's incredible. Like a resonance in some way?
Cláudia: It's interesting. And also some psychiatrists, many, many cases of suicidal attempt and suicidal, succeeded suicidal people that they commit suicide.
Many of them are belonging to the psychiatrists, to the psychiatry field, psychiatric field. Well,
Richard: as you said, this doctor from Harvard Medical School, and he's the son of a neurosurgeon and is a neurosurgeon himself, was very much oriented to the traditional modern view of medicine, which would say that these kinds of near-death experiences are products of fantasy or delusion or something wrong in the brain circuitry, as you suggested.
And he's written this book to show that that's not at all what happened. He has now converted to a larger perspective. And he says that he journeyed to another larger dimension of the universe. Literally went there, his consciousness did, a dimension he'd never dreamed existed before, and which the old pre-coma him would have been more than happy to explain was a simple impossibility, but it happened to him.
And one of the things he described, Cláudia, that gives me a great feeling of expansion in my heart is this. He said that there were flocks of transparent, shimmering beings arced across the sky, leaving long, streamer-like lines behind them. That makes my heart sore. He said, birds, angels, those words were registered later when he was writing down his recollections, but neither of those words do justice to the beings himself, which were quite simply different from anything he's ever known on this planet.
They were more advanced, higher forms.
Cláudia: But tell more. They sang, right?
Richard: They sang. And
Cláudia: if they didn't, what would happen
Richard: to them? They would explode or happen or something like this. Go see if you find this. So I've just got a couple of pages here. He said, a sound, huge and booming like a glorious chant, came down from above. And I wondered if the winged beings were producing it.
Again, thinking about it later, it occurred to me that the joy of these creatures as they soared along was such that they had to make this noise. That if the joy didn't come out of them this way, then they would simply not otherwise be able to contain it. Yes. They would explode or something, as you said. The sound was palpable, almost material, like a rain that you can feel on your skin, but doesn't get you wet.
Look, that description is so beautiful.
Cláudia: Yeah. It's a kind of energy, manifestation of energy, God's energy, that we don't have the slight idea.
Richard: I think we experience it a little bit when we listen to music that we love. We can be lifted, but in this sense of feeling it like a palpable material. So
Cláudia: heaven is much better than earth, as it is now, presently.
But you know something, Jones? When I was younger and I was a kid, sometimes I felt so happy that I had to express some of my happiness, because if I didn't, I felt I would explode. Wow. And this kind of joy manifested after very simple feelings of love, affection, simple things of life. Sometimes my mother said, Cláudia, let's go to Fira. Like Fira was a place on the street.
Yeah, a street fair, a little street market.
Richard: Yeah, where you buy cheese
Cláudia: and ham and biscuits and fruits. Now, we have very few of those in São Paulo nowadays, but it used to be so fun for a child to go with their mother or his mother, her mother, to a place like this. So, I was jumping like high. I did like I gave high jumps.
So, I screamed of joy. And later in life, I had many times the sensation of having such a joy inside that I could not bear it. And this, I always felt it was linked directly to God and to simple things, simple things like Christmas time, seeing a friend, being with someone you love, and thinking about the mercy and the love of God and thinking about his birth, like here, the Christmas day or night or time.
So all these feelings of affection and being alive just by themselves should bring us naturally this feeling of joy that he describes there. Beautiful. Yeah, and we are losing so much.
Richard: Oh, my gosh.
Cláudia: We are losing so much,
Richard: Richard. We're living in like a little narrow band of experience, Cláudia, where we try to squeeze out a little bit of joy with these totally secondary things.
This level of happiness. And
Cláudia: it's not even joy, it's just pleasure, isn't it?
Richard: It's a kind of pathological pleasure
Cláudia: because joy, as he describes in this text, it's very much linked to divine energies. Very much so. Beethoven
Richard: used to say that he could feel God.
Cláudia: He could hear God shouting in his head. And the only thing that gave him relief was to write it down.
So he literally wrote down what he heard in his head. This is what happened with the book Glorification. That Dr. Keppe wrote I remember I was with him many of the nights or days Where he got those inspirations from God And it was a necessity for him to write what he received from the divine voice, divine sound inside of himself. So the book Glorification was completely, totally written under inspiration.
And it's not only a theological book, it's mostly a scientific book, very therapeutic book, very beautiful, by the way. And he used to wake up during the night, 3, 2, 3 in the morning. And he said, let's go to the top of the mountain. And so we will see the stars a little bit. And we walked in a small road and we went in the top of the hills in a countryside house we had.
And he was like, and we were watching the sky and seeing millions in this dark night with no interference of electricity or any other interference. So you could see heaven almost through sky, like transcend the sky and see heaven through it. Oh, my God. So he wrote, so you could adapt the writings that he did with the music of Beethoven. For instance, and a beautiful video or something that you could have about nature, and this would be a trilogy of his writings and the music and the video.
It would be almost heaven for us.
Richard: We'll come back and talk more about this wonderful book and this experience of spirituality here as we get closer, not only to the end of the world, so-called, but to Christmastime. So, back in just a moment on Thinking with Somebody Else's Head on the Stop Radio Network. Thinking with
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Richard: This is Richard Lloyd Jones.
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If you're interested in learning more, you'll find information about books, TV shows, and any upcoming congresses or teleclasses on our site at HealingThroughConsciousness.com Now, back to Thinking with Somebody Else's Head with Richard Lloyd Jones and Dr.
Cláudia Bernhardt Pacheco on the Stop Radio Network.
Richard: Our program is Thinking with Somebody Else's Head, named after a discussion I had with Cesar Soós that we are affected by the thinking of people, and we don't even know that. So we're thinking with the philosophies and heads of other people, and we're, in this program, trying to orient us to a correct way of thinking.
I'm with Cláudia Bernhardt Pacheco, and as you were talking about your experience with Dr. Keppe, writing this book you know when we when I read this book it's a beautiful book. I'm going to read some parts from it in a minute. But when I read this book I had no idea that it was written in the way that you described it, going to the top of a mountain, looking at the stars, feeling the universe, feeling the inspiration,
Cláudia: like a romanticism that was not um a romanticism between man and woman.
It was much more than that. It was a friendship or a link to people being together under the spell. Could you say this? Of the love of God so we
Richard: together for the love of God loving him this is not a new experience for me to know about there was a mystic in the 12th century, I think, a saint who wrote about his love of God.
And he wrote a beautiful poem about that. It was turned into a piece of music by Lorena McKennett. And I'm searching for the title. I can't remember it now. Dark Night of the Soul, I think. And it's a poem that he wrote of his love for God. And, you know, when we think of this, a man showing love for God, for example, it seems like, oh, my God.
But this is so beautiful, what you're describing. What
Cláudia: about a couple?
Richard: Even
Cláudia: better,
Richard: this should
Cláudia: be the case of all couples. It's like living a dream, dream of love for God. This is being in heaven, incredible, having the opportunity to be in heaven at least for periods when you are not disturbed by other interferences.
Richard: Should I take something from this book while we're thinking of it?
Cláudia: Yes. I see that, for instance, lately, some researchers of the University of California in San Diego, they were able to prove that our brain, they have a kind of harmonic activity in terms of even music. Harmony in the waves of the brain and the neuron and it's like a cerebral music as they they call it, comparing the music of the hemispheres to this music of the spheres or you know that that a few astronomers claimed
Richard: to hear when they studied
Cláudia: the the universe, that there is a music and a harmony in our brains too, in our neurons too, like the stars.
So we come from the stars, we come from the same source. And they found out that when there is an interference in this harmony, caused by anything, and they say schizophrenics have this cacophonia. Uh-huh. You know?
Richard: Cacophony. Cacophony. Yeah. Nothing is...
Cláudia: Endodecaphonia in music. So when there is no harmony, schizophrenia is there. So, statics is the basis of the universe, and it's not possible for a person to be balanced and healthy if they enjoy cacophonia and decaphonia.
Richard: And dodacophonic music.
Cláudia: Yeah, this kills the brain. Yeah,
Richard: this is right. There's a very interesting documentary about that, looking at 20th century music, which, of course, is much, we could say, much inferior to what was produced in the 18, 17, 1800s. But looking at some music of some popular composers that reintroduced the harmony that was being stripped away by these Dodikaphonic people.
And you know the results can be? Like
Cláudia: the more and more we we are stick to cell phones and to computers and internet and this dissolves the magnetism of the brain. It breaks apart the magnetism of the brain because our brain works with magnetic waves mostly. So when we get too much involved with this kind of digital kind of communication we break apart, we break down the harmony, the sound the music, the balance the health of our brains and our neurons.
And the results are like this, that lately more and more people manifest a weird behavior when they are sleeping. They can like have some corporeal body activities like totally disconnected from their brain when they're sleeping, like sonambulism, yeah, like walking and walking in their sleep, this kind of sonambulism, yeah yeah. And
Richard: you know more and
Cláudia: more people do this, they they not that they wake up, they stand up from bed, yeah, and they go they take
Richard: this their cell phones and they say send text messages while they're sleeping,
Cláudia: while they're sleeping, and nonsense ones like weird and disconnected words, and they don't remember the day after.
Like another syndrome which is called uh when they feed like um night kind of feeding or something when they are asleep and they go down to the kitchen to get something to eat but they are they do this while they are sleeping, sleeping, and they wake up and they see all this mess in the kitchen the day after and they say oh my god what is this, they don't remember.
They do sex when they are sleeping too. And sometimes they uh people wake up like with a a symptom that as if something blew up, exploded in their minds, like a bomb, like a siren, like a buzina.
Richard: A horn. A
Cláudia: horn of a car. And I myself woke up a few times hearing the telephone ringing but no there was not telephone ringing at all but I heard clearly like a telephone ringing.
And and this this is something that through the bad habits we get we more and more disorganized and disorganize our brain. Like I have to work all the time with Skype with computer and with telephones because I attend many clients by telephone so it's an avoidable it's an avoidable. So we we cannot avoid being harmed by our environment. This is so sad you know.
And also uh something that happens that is called apnea, I don't know this word, it's a scientific word, when apnea
Richard: is it apnea yeah,
Cláudia: when you are sleeping and then you stop breathing and you wake up, yeah. This can last one minute, 80 seconds sometimes, and people don't die. They don't know why they don't die, but they don't die. But what happens is that their brain goes apart from the body, and they cannot feel consciously that they stopped breathing.
So it's a disconnection, total separation, mind from body. And their minds, they stay as if everything was normal. This is like an out-of-the-body experience. Yes, exactly. A spiritual experience. A small experience similar to this after-death experience. And people can really die. And they don't realize they are dead already. Sometimes because they were sleeping and they had a, as they call it, respiratory arrest.
But this happens more and more with more people, like being 20 seconds, 30 seconds, 60 seconds, 80 seconds without breathing. And then when the mind and the soul comes back to the body, they will wake up.
Richard: Incredible. Yeah. So what you're saying something now, I think it's very interesting to me, Cláudia, because it's like this digital world that we praise ourselves so much for having developed is really causing a lot of harm.
Cláudia: Yes, it is.
Richard: And this is something that we need to return to an analog world as much as we can. Because like you said, I'm totally on the computer all the time, too. I produce our radio programs. We need
Cláudia: more magnetism. We need more magnetism. Which is the basis of life. Yeah. And less electronics, electrical energy,
Richard: which
Cláudia: is a byproduct of magnetism.
Richard: So we have to return to our idea of recording this program in analog form and putting it on the computer to edit it. Will Lajeunesse has been talking to me about that for a year, and there's got to be some way to do that, to record our program as an actual analog recording so we have it magnetized and
Cláudia: then putting it on the computer to do the editing and all that stuff.
That would be something, wouldn't it? Did you see in those old movies, like I've seen one about Christmas, some tales of Dickens, Charles Dickens?
Richard: Love Dickens.
Cláudia: So beautiful.
Richard: He was amazing.
Cláudia: So beautiful. And so at that time, people had less TV. No TV.
Richard: No TV, yeah. No digital, no
Cláudia: MP3. Nothing, yeah. And they were much happier and much more magnetic. And happiness was happiness.
Sadness was sadness and much less mental disturbances. Of
Richard: course there was a huge amount of misery caused by the socially powerful. But in this sense of the true values of life they were very
Cláudia: strong there. Until the 60s or 70s last century there was almost no case found in kids, in children up to 7 years old, of mental sickness. Wow. It was such an exception to find a child with, like, under 10 years old.
They didn't ever get sick, mentally sick. They could manifest sadness. They could manifest anger. They could manifest love. But sickness like depression, anxiety, agitation, autism, this almost didn't happen. And now you see how many children take Prozac and other kind of drugs to help parents to control the situation that is totally outside of control. And all these kids are linked to the net, to this digital kind of machines.
So people don't mention this more because this is a huge market and huge economic power.
Richard: Yes, enormous. And all of these geniuses of the Internet world are supported by this trilateral group that wants to... Maybe
Cláudia: we are in time already to read an excerpt. I'm sure. And
Richard: I'm sure
Cláudia: people who are too much out of their magnetic level, as this doctor says, this is linked to the diencephalus.
This kind of communication is very much diencephalic. The emotional feelings people don't want to feel, and they are becoming incapable to feel. They are becoming like, everybody's becoming like a psychopath. Yeah. Because they are incapable more and more to feel emotions, to feel love, to feel affection, to be joyful, even to feel anger. They sometimes manifest and they are involved and dominated by anger.
But you know that feeling, I don't like that person because of this or that. This anger is like an explosion in them. Sometimes they explode out of nothing. And anger attacks. But I think that if we still have listeners that have some degree of magnetism, they can enjoy this excerpt.
Richard: Christ brought the most optimistic message of all. I'm going to speak here of the Christ who is unknown, or better, the God who is unknown, because of our mortal envy.
The envy which not only leads us to deny him, but even worse, prevents us from recognizing him as he truly is. We now have the contribution of science to open our eyes to a dimension that religion and the philosophies separately have not managed to perceive. I want to speak about the true Christ, the Lord of the earth, the planets, and the stars, the owner of all that exists, he who has not one iota of error or deceit, he who is total happiness and joy, which our unbounded envy prevents us from seeing.
I want to speak of that being who, because he's so immense and generous and good, came to earth to show us that we live in one kingdom only, which is His. The most optimistic message that humanity has ever received is that of Christ. It's incredible how He surmounted with the greatest ease all of the things that cause human beings so much anxiety.
He overcame the errors human beings make. He triumphed over death with resurrection. He achieved a vast universal communion among men and women. But principally, he demonstrated God's love in considering us as his children and heirs, in considering us as the owners together with him of all goodness, of all things that exist, and of life itself. He is a flame of affection, an infinite being, whose full dimension our eyes can never perceive, whose music our ears cannot wholly capture, whose fragrance we cannot fully detect, whose delights reserved especially for us we cannot completely feel or taste.
Interestingly enough, he has put all of this at our disposal because he loves us. We need only to accept it. Merry Christmas from all of us at the Stop Radio Network. I'm Richard Lloyd Jones. That's our final program for 2012. Talk to you in 2013. Have a great Christmas and a best of the new year to you. Bye-bye for now.
