Richard Lloyd Jones: I'm Richard Lloyd Jones, and welcome to Thinking with Somebody Else's Head. I recently saw one of the protest signs from the Occupy movement of a few weeks ago that caught my eye. "The revolution will not be televised," it said. And I thought, that's about it. There's so much corporate ownership of the media these days, it seems inevitable that they will be pretty firmly on the side of the status quo.
And I kind of feel like the frustrated parents watching the inadequate efforts of the umpire at their son's little league game. "Open your eyes up, you're missing a great game." They call out and we could say the same to today's media. Open your eyes, journalists. You're missing a good revolution now. This is not to denigrate the efforts of the responsible and courageous journalists worldwide of course who are fighting to expose the corruption of the system where they live.
But in most cases our media only report news that favors those in power. It's high time we held our media to some higher standards than just giving us what they think we want. They have a sacred oath to defend the people's interests, and we are remiss in not demanding that of them. Occupy the media today on Thinking with Somebody Else's Head. We are working pretty hard in Brazil right now to make concerned citizens worldwide more cognizant of Norberto Keppe's science of psychosociopathology.
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I'm not the only one with the media in their sights, of course. Many people are critical today and have been for many years now. Back in 1997, some of America's top journalists, editors, TV and radio hosts, journalism educators gathered at the Harvard Faculty Club to discuss what they saw as being seriously wrong with their profession. They said, actually, that they barely recognized what they considered journalism in much of the work of their colleagues.
A couple of years after these concerned media leaders had met in 1999, polls would show only 21 percent of Americans thinking the press cared about people. That was down 20 percent since 1985. Less than half of Americans thought that the press protected democracy. This group of journalists was pretty concerned about that and formed a committee to discuss that, what to do about that, how to address that, how to educate people and media professionals about the situation so they could change the thing.
And that's very, very important research they're doing. The responsibility of our media, according to these leading media people, is to provide in-depth, reliable, accurate, and comprehensive information that citizens require to be free. Their contention was, that's not happening. I don't think it is either. And Cláudia Bernhardt Pacheco joins me today to talk about Occupy the Media on our Thinking with Somebody Else's Head program.
After a week off, we're back. Cláudia's
Cláudia Bernhardt Pacheco: back. I did an interview with Cesar last week talking about spiritual phenomena. It was very different from what we were going to talk about, but maybe not really. Maybe not really. We're involved in like with demons like all those bankers are demons demonized bankers. We
Richard: were talking with Dr Keppe and uh on Sunday and Gilbert Gambucci there in New York and Dr Keppe was saying you know these people the occupied people they need to get out of the squares and get into the homes.
Start go back start
Cláudia: taking back their homes that they lost their homes
Richard: and um they're all these homes that have been foreclosed by the banks. Uh the banks in the meantime have been receiving trillions of dollars of government and public money and the people are thrown out into the street. Yeah and so Dr Keppe was saying you know they need to to start occupying their homes and reoccupying real.
Yeah right okay reoccupying the homes they lost and here here on the internet today I find a story that I didn't I hadn't heard about. You you heard about this before but I hadn't heard about it. I'd heard about it in Spain. The Occupy Movement today, as we're recording this program on Tuesday the 6th of
Cláudia: December, this Tuesday,
Richard: today, activists all over the United States will be taking the struggle indoors to the homes of poor families who are under threat of being evicted by large and powerful Wall Street banks.
It's a national day of action. The Occupy Movement is mobilizing activists in over 25 cities to protest fraudulent lending practices, corrupt securitization, and illegal evictions by banks by physically halting the attempt to evict families from their homes and liberating, I love that word, vacant bank-owned property for those in need. And I thought, well, look at that. Right after Dr. Keppe was talking about that is this resonance.
Oh
Cláudia: I'm so glad Richard to have this comprovação how do you proof. Yeah it's a scientific proof yep that resonance works really works and that
Richard: phenomenon of the hundred monkeys really works even better with human beings. Yeah
Cláudia: and so I'm so glad I'm so happy to see how many people are already conscious of those discoveries that Dr. Keppe put in his books and his shows and his radio programs and TV programs and lectures.
"And we have been talking about this. And it seemed that we talked like for nowhere. And our work had no resonance, but it had and now we are starting to understand this that all the all over the world in unknown corners of the world that we never expected or never thought or never dreamed about and never worked
Richard: and never worked indirectly right.
So
Cláudia: yeah and they are responding and talking and saying things that Dr Keppe wrote in his book and he's in the early 80s now." I remembered having heard someone saying in the media, a program, a show you sent me yesterday of
Richard: a good journalist. Yes, from MSNBC, and I've forgotten his name now. It was
Cláudia: a good show, and he said, "for the last two or three decades, we have been, the people's money, their rights, their needs, their anything, have been stolen, their properties."
And so, until the early 80s or until the late 80s, Americans thought that the magician Ronald Reagan, a big magician Ronald Reagan, was bringing them money just out of nowhere. Right. What a world
Richard: that was. That was such a crazy thing.
Cláudia: But he's a magician. He was a magician. He was like, oh, my God, my English teacher.
Richard: Are you suffering in your English today?
Yes. I have this experience in Portuguese all the time, so I feel your
Cláudia: pain. So let me, prestidigitador, how do you say this in English?
Richard: Good question. Prestidigitator. But it's like a conjurer, a conjurer who
Cláudia: conjures up something. Is this the idea? Not only that, but, you know, those magicians, they go to a place and they do a magic thing. So people see and think they have hallucinations that things are happening and they are not.
Richard: Like an illusionist.
Cláudia: Illusionist, right. I knew we'd get to the word. Thank you, thank you. So
Richard: illusionist. And Reagan was the biggest, one of the biggest illusionists ever. Yeah.
Cláudia: Because when Americans started to understand they were in a corner, like in a dead end situation economically. And even though they had Vietnam, they had the First World War, the Second World War to make money, they had the drugs, they had the multinational drugs, they had any
Richard: means, military, Vietnam, but the
Cláudia: money they got from all this, from the taxpayers all over the world and rebuilding America and rebuilding Europe and rebuilding Japan.
But the money didn't went for American regularity. Average Taxpayer. So, the situation in the United States was getting darker and darker, grayer and grayer. It was the early 80s, the late 70s, the early 80s when Carter and Reagan were fighting for power
Richard: and Carter had a more realistic approach at that time and he wanted a more sober situation and Reagan came as a Hollywood illusionist.
"On his white horse.
Cláudia: Yes, yes. And he brought the solution for the first world all together. You know what he said. If
Richard: you do what I say, you will have money, money, money, and all the problems will be solved. And he said, we need to stop feeling bad about America. Start feeling good about America again. And let's lift the country with our illusion.
Yes,
Cláudia: yes." And at that time, Europe was very, very bad, in bad shape. They had recovered somehow from the Second World War. But I remember I had clients in England, girls that went to college, but they had difficulties in buying milk for their kids. And they have difficulties to feeding their families. And food was very expensive in England and clothing. So they were always trying to recover the clothing and to save as much as they could in order not to starve.
So England was suffering a big problem in the 80s.
And we, when Reagan was elected, he brought this speculation philosophy. And
Richard: Thatcher in England.
Cláudia: And new liberalism. And what happened is they started building this fictitious delirious empire of money and they started building and printing bills, dollars. Not only that but being difficult to print all this trillions, trillions of dollars they fabricated. They started to do this just out of computers, and
Richard: it was
Cláudia: something that was virtuous, like virtual.
Richard: Yeah, it was based on nothing.
Cláudia: Based on nothing. So, what happened was this big bubble of speculation that brought the illusion that Europeans and Americans, North Americans, got wealthy overnight. And we saw then Germans, French, Italians, English, all this Swedish, Finnish that were used to have a parsimonious kind of life, if not very, very sober and tight kind of life.
"In a sudden, they could buy their cars and a BWM, Mercedes, Japanese cars, and all computers and new clothing, everything coming from China. And they refurnished their homes and bought new homes. And then this prosperity era. My God, everybody got like prosperous with the illusionist. Keppe, at this time, he was really, really scared. He had a kind of nightmares. And he used to have some kind of visions during the night when he foresaw what would happen to United States and to American people if they would not wake up in time.
Richard: If they continue in this pathway. If
Cláudia: they would not wake up for the illusionism of Reaganomics. And not only that, but he said, Europe altogether will sink with this Titanic, which is this false economy based on speculation that Mr. Reagan brought. And then Keppe started like a crazy scientist, starting to speak and to speak."
And we spent all our money in promoting consciousness of this situation. We tried. We tried with TV shows. And the medias were all in pact. They were all in pact, the mainstream medias and all the medias. They didn't want to believe in what we were saying. Keppe put in the foreword of his book, The Decay of the American People in the United States, that if they would not wake up in time until 1989, they would have to face terrible consequences.
And the terrible consequences he brought in this book at that time were like bringing a gnomon or being like a black spirit bringing sad and negative news to a country that was finally raising up from the difficulties and shining in their richness. So, Keppe was seen as a, if not a lunatic, a crazy scientist, very
Richard: negative, very pessimistic.
Cláudia: But what Keppe wanted to bring was this perception to avoid the worst, which is already there, which is already there.
"And now everybody's waking up for what he used to say and what he said and he wrote. So we are glad in one hand, we are sad in another one because everything happens. It's happening, it's happening.
Richard: So all the sad news are being the present news now. Being felt because we didn't follow what he was talking about back then. They
Cláudia: didn't understand, they didn't want to see, they were blind.
Richard: God
Cláudia: in his illusions. And I must say, Mr. Jones, that the media played the major role in the situation. The worst power in this time were the media, the journalists, the writers, the anchors, everybody who were working to maintain, to keep the lie and to maintain this illusion for the people.
Richard: And this illusion, if we could name it, is the illusion of getting money from nothing, just making money from
Cláudia: investments.
Prosperity in these ideas of neoliberalism."
Richard: You know that today, Cláudia, it's so serious today that 50% of the stock market transactions, I think worldwide, certainly in the United States, 50% are done by computer. They have nothing to do with human beings. And
Cláudia: all this is outside of our reality. Totally. And everything is outside from human beings, regular, normal human beings. And everything is outside from our society. And everything is apart from us.
And all those medias who speak about stock markets and etc. Have nothing to do with us. Because our lives are totally apart. And our reality is totally apart. Think about 16 million kids, American kids, now living in poverty. This means at least 25%. And when they say living in poverty, they are really living in poverty, like families that are living inside their cars and they don't have money to eat, they don't have money to heat themselves in the winter, they are totally scared to be attacked by robbers, by violent people, by crazy lunatics, drugged, and by the state, the government.
Because if the government agencies, who are really Gestapo beings, working for the powerful, all these Gestapo beings from these governmental agencies, if they find a family that were thrown out of their homes by these psychopaths, the bankers, if they are thrown out, they have nothing left. And the governmental agencies, they have to hide from them because they come and they take away their kids because they say you're not capable to sustain your kids and to give them like an honorable or a decent minimum kind of life that they took from the families.
So this is so crazy, so lunatic. Sick, sick, sick, sick. This is sick. Now, Richard Jones, I want to say, I want you to read a few excerpts from the chapter Keppe wrote, The Media in Power.
Richard: Oh, good. I love this chapter. I'll come back to this in a minute. We're just going to take a quick break.
Thinking with Somebody Else's Head on Conscious Planet Radio. Cláudia's on a roll, and this is such a subject that's important to hear about, so don't go far away. We're coming right back. Richard Lloyd Jones with Thinking with Somebody Else's Head and Cláudia Bernhardt Pacheco again with us. And Cláudia wants me to focus a little bit on the media today, and I think that's fantastic.
Cláudia: And you know why?
Richard: Because I
Cláudia: find them the guiltiest of all powers. Because they, as they say to the police or to the military, the police is a... Kind of performing their tasks. The military are kind
Richard: of performing their tasks. But the media are totally against their principles. Read here the nine main principles. You can read from this. Cláudia has printed out a document for me with very small print.
Cláudia: This is a book that was written by two journalists in the United States.
Yeah,
Richard: let me just go through that. I think
Cláudia: it's in the United States. It's not in England.
Richard: A book called The Elements of Journalism, What News People Should Know and the Public Should Expect, introduction by Bill Kovach and Tom Riesentiel. Yeah, they are two journalists that wrote the book. The purpose of journalism is to provide people with the information they need to be free and self-governing, to fulfill this task.
One, journalism's first obligation is to the truth, not to the people who pay them their salaries. First obligation is to the truth. Two, its first loyalty is to the citizens. Three, its essence is a discipline of verification. Four, its practitioners must maintain an independence from those they cover. Five, it must serve as an independent monitor of power. Six, it must provide a forum for public criticism and compromise.
Seven it must strive to make the significant interesting and relevant not the insignificant as they do today the significant. Eight it must keep the news comprehensive and proportional. Nine its practitioners must be allowed to exercise their personal conscience now beautiful document.
Cláudia: Now, do you think that one, just one of those nine elements are being followed by the mainstream and the bigger and the so-called traditional, and they don't need to be big, but those who are living out of the support or the money of people who are now, people who are...
Richard: Yeah, receiving? Não,
Cláudia: são as pessoas que mantêm o jornal. São os anunciantes, we say in Portuguese. Ah, the advertisers.
Richard: Yeah, the advertisers. So the advertisers, they pay for the ads. So the newspaper live with this money. So they start from the beginning of being compromised.
Now, not only the big ones, but also the small ones. And there's always been a battle, Cláudia, in the media, especially in the newsrooms. I know I worked in radio and television stations for many years. There was always this battle between the sales department and the news department. You know, the sales department was saying, well, we want this sponsor to get coverage, for example.
The news department would say, no, this is a news department. We have to be independent from this. There's always been this battle. But, of course, it's a delicate battle and a difficult one to reconcile. And it has not been reconciled at all, especially in the last 20 or 30 years. I think we can say that.
Cláudia: It got much worse. Oh, much worse.
Now the major,
Richard: major corporations own the majority of the media. And they are reflecting the corporate view.
They're not reflecting the view of the
Cláudia: people. And if you say the truth, you are fired. And you have your kids, you have your home to support, you have your standard of life that you have to maintain, you think you have to maintain. But if you get fired, they will tell all the other medias what happened, and everybody will know, and you will be ostracized.
Can
Richard: I tell you about an attitude that comes up sometimes in the classroom, Cláudia, that I think many of the journalists suffer from? It's this attitude where we're talking about some of these issues in our school here, and the students will say, it's terrible, it's terrible, it's terrible. But that's just the way it is. And it's kind of a shock, you know, when you think about this kind of, it's like a corruption in some way.
But I have the feeling that the journalists kind of say that to some—I'm not going to blanket all journalists, but I see this sort of reflected.
There was an interview with one of the Wall Street Journal guys in Michael Moore's documentary where he said that. He said, "look, capitalism is not perfect, but it's the best we have." And so, you know, and everybody here has the opportunity to do well for themselves as an individual. This is a total lie. It's not like that anymore. Totally lie. Total lie.
And they don't seem to want to see it or they see it and ignore it. Now,
Cláudia: they must understand that they are upside down because those people who pay them, they want them to deceive the people because they know they depend on the people. Not only the media depend on the people, but the advertisers depend on the people. For sure. So they need the people to be deceived.
Now that the people are waking up, what is going to happen with all those advertisers and all the media who do not speak the truth?
Because the people now know the truth and they are knowing more and more. And as long as they know more and more, they will not buy anymore the lies of those traditional medias. And they will see how New York Times, NBC, ABC, CNN, how much they lie to them, the major medias and the average and the small medias too. So they're not going to buy them anymore.
They are not going to buy anymore the products they advertise because people are fed up of being fooled. So now what I want to say, we were just two in the beginning, Keppe and myself. And then we got a little bit bigger and then we got to be more than 100 and then now we are all over the world with our TV channels, with our TV shows and I'm
Richard: sure you that are listening to us you have somehow already had the opportunity to see some of our shows.
They are not well produced they are not Hollywoodian.
And they absolutely cannot be seen as class A
Cláudia: productions. We know that. We know that. "We are very conscious of this because our economic possibilities do not allow us to do better than we do. But we have the honor and the pride to say that we are here to speak the truth and to help the people. And those who want to hear the truth and are ready to take the truth to help themselves and help their fellow men, they know that they will get good information, honest information, precious information." Como é que fala em primeira mão?
First hand? First hand. "Directly from the labs and from our scientific research team, we have news that will come fresh and good and honest and helpful to people that want to take advantage from this."
Richard: And this is why I think, Cláudia, many times you say, have said in this program too, that there's a big resonance with Dr.
Keppe's work here. And I want to just talk a little bit about this because it struck me as you were speaking earlier. This resonance is with something that's true. And something that's true is universally true. It's not relatively true. It's not true for five years and then it's not true anymore. It's universally true. So when Keppe writes and talks, he's talking from a point of view that's enormously historic, because it's something that resonates throughout history with all of the greatest thinkers and greatest philosophers and greatest people that have ever lived.
The
Cláudia: guy studied a lot, a lot, a lot, Dr. Keppe.
Richard: He did a tremendous amount of hours of study and research. Oh, years of study and research. And he's still, 84 years, still working and studying. He did a tremendous amount of research and study. Still.
The guy studied psychoanalysis in Vienna. The guy was teaching in psychology university here and medical school. And, well, and he studied philosophy and theology and social sciences and education. So he's, well... And I wanted to bring this element in because as I see a lot of the proposals being put forward through Occupy Wall Street, I see a lot of, like, suggestions, reinstitute the Glass-Steagall Act, all of these kinds of things.
I think these are all valuable things. But nobody, to my mind, is speaking about these universal things that you brought to the show today, that Dr. Keppe brings all the time, which is the dignity of the human being, the ethics of what it means to be a true human being.
Cláudia: They are starting to mention this. I'm so glad, Richard. They are starting.
They are starting to say, and regular people, people like anyone, people, average people in society, they are starting to, they are, like they are living these concepts already.
So it is as if their own universes were awakening up. Yes. What Keppe said in his books are inside each human being. Yes. And they are wakening up. I'm so glad.
Richard: And these books are beautiful. And these programs are a beautiful source of inspiration for us.
Cláudia: Because they give us great power. And
Richard: it goes faster. If they watch the videos, they will see and start, "how come?
What is this? This low class kind of video. It's so badly. It's not so." But comparing to CNN, comparing
Cláudia: to CNN, comparing to
Richard: BBC, it's not... It doesn't have the production value.
Cláudia: Yeah, we have not
Richard: the means, the economic means. And this gives us, like, give the people who see us the certainty. It's like a proof that we are not corrupted and we are not compromised with any economic powerful.
Yeah, not receiving money from anybody. I want to say something.
If they pay attention to what Keppe says,
Cláudia: it's an enormous amount of wisdom. Now, I want to share with our listeners one thing that I was starting. We were two and then we got bigger. And now we are getting like the 99% of humanity is every day becoming more and more trilogical. And I feel so good. And I want to tell you that is listening to us, you cannot wait for the large average medias or small medias to speak what you know.
You have to be yourself a media. You know what is the most effective instrument we have? We have our mouth.
Richard: Yeah, mouth-to-mouth is still the most
Cláudia: powerful. Mouth-to-mouth. And we call this bocanet in Brazil.
Richard: The mouth-net.
Cláudia: Mouth-net. It's not only internet, it's mouth-net. And as we have been speaking about intrigues and bad things about other people so much, and even women do this a lot and men too but mostly women they love to gossip.
So let's stop a little bit gossiping and let's like speaking nonsense and let's gossip a little bit about the so-called psychopaths in power. And you have your mouth and you have your friends and you have your families. If you speak about this to your family and your friends and your colleagues and in your church and your community and you speak, don't shut up.
Say what you know. You have a lot of precious knowledge inside of you. One phrase, one word you think that everybody knows or it's useless but it's not. Speak, speak, use your mouth. You will be your own media and we will have 99 of humanity bringing consciousness and being the media, the people's media. We are the people's media. We have to help ourselves to have no way out.
We have no other chance and it must be now. If we do not save our skin now it will be over and we have lost our last chance, because they are planning to eliminate 80 of humanity.
They have this plan. We have
Richard: this little window. We have these resources. Use them, put them out there. I mean you guys know you've and listening to the radio program, you know that we have these resources available. And speak,
Cláudia: and speak. Open your mouth. Get it out there, yeah. Open your mouth. You will see the results.
Richard: Okay. So you're on fire today, Cláudia, and this is fantastic, and it's really, you must feel a certain, well, you said it at the beginning, a real vindication of the work, all the work that you've done for your whole life.
This book, Keppe, that I love so much, The Pathology of Power.
Cláudia: And it's available for free download. Yes, Liberation of the People. In
Richard: our site, Liberation of the People, free for download. So speaking out is great, but I'll tell you, if you start to read Keppe's books, you're going to feel a
Cláudia: real deep feeling inside.
Yeah, this guy's speaking. And you'll become like a fireball. And maybe you'll
Richard: come to Brazil like I did. He says in here, "it is time for people to wake up and see that they must be the consciousness of society, that they cannot be silenced under penalty of destroying civilization itself." Yes. "Occupy the Media means to demand of journalists and editors and TV and radio personalities that they fulfill their primary obligations, which are to tell the truth and defend the rights of the people, not the corporations or the power structure." This is what we're trying to do in our program.
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