I'm Richard Lloyd Jones. I'm very pleased to have this opportunity to bring you this trilogical science perspective that promises so much hope and understanding, and the answers to why, if we've been created as universal beings, we're so mired in corruption and misery. Well, that's maybe a seemingly negative note to strike at the beginning, but to be truly human today is to consider this paradox.
For what's the true nature of man? We must all know deep down that it's beautiful and good and honest. So why then all this despair and war and destruction faced somewhere in the world every day? We do not feel the magnificence we were created for. And this causes a deep wound in the human soul. Through Norberto Keppe's scientific viewpoint, we can discuss that in detail.
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We are here in our program to study with you all the things that the science of psychosociopathology shows us. All the things that are behind the appearances, behind the mask, as Freud talked about. Whether that's related to the human being or to society at large, because it applies in both cases.
This is a science that Dr. Norberto Keppe, the great Brazilian psychoanalyst and social scientist, has brought to us that studies the root of our problems. Because, you know, every day we read the newspapers, we watch the television, we talk with our circle of friends about what's going on, about our health, our lives, maybe about the environment.
But we've forgotten to investigate deeper and to see what's behind all these problems that we're presented with daily. So here we're trying to show you what's behind the mask. Behind appearances, there's a world of intentions that are not really the best in the human being. These intentions that are within the human being, within all of us, and are hidden from public life and from our greater consciousness, these intentions are the ones that drive our lives and those of society.
It's sad to say, but the general media, which should be providing this kind of consciousness, just is really shirking on the job. They're providing mostly information for the corporate world, supporting the corporate mainstream view and not really getting to the the cause of the problems, even bringing us much consciousness. So we're really lost.
And the reason we started our program, and I know the reason that the Positive World Radio Network exists, is to have this discussion, to consider what is going on inside the human being that's causing our society to be so out of whack. And, of course, one of the things we need to do is have a better media. Well, we're trying to do that on Thinking with Somebody Else's Head.
I just want to make a few comments here before I introduce Cláudia Bernhardt Pacheco for a short segment with us today. Cesar Soós will do the bulk of our radio program with me today. This situation with Dominique Strauss-Kahn, boy, we've got to open our eyes about something very strange is going on in this. I don't know if you remember, but he was quite prominent in that documentary from last year called Inside Job about the late 2000s financial crisis, 2008.
This is a guy who spoke out quite a bit about that, and I just wonder in this situation if he's not being hung out to dry because of that. Look, this guy, he may well be guilty for what he's being charged with, but we have no evidence about that. He's innocent until proven guilty, please. Not as Diane Sawyer said on the ABC nightly news that "Mr.
Strauss-Kahn is in Rikers prison because one woman stood her ground." Well, that assumes that she, the woman, is telling the truth and he's not. So we can't assume that yet. He's innocent until proven guilty. It's very important to see that he could have some other, there could be some other reasons why he's been put in prison. Let's keep our eyes open about that.
I mean, this guy's not a threat to run, and he has a long history on a distinguished level of public service.
Let's give him the benefit of the doubt, find out what's really going on there before we start passing judgment. I think there's more here than meets the eye, as there often is. Dr. Cláudia Bernhardt Pacheco is with us for a short time today, but a powerful time, I'm sure. Dr. Cláudia has always some incredible insights into Norberto Keppe's wonderful science of Analytical Trilogy, and it's always a pleasure to have her on the program, even for the briefest of segments.
We did a series of teleclasses a couple of years ago, Cláudia, that has been turned into a very interesting book now, based on Dr. Keppe's work in the new physics. And during one of these teleclasses, we had a title of one of Dr. Keppe's texts called "Only Energy Can Heal Illness." And you said something beautiful in relation to that. You said how profound this title is.
And you said it means that "neither diet nor pharmaceutical drugs nor operations can heal our bodies. Only this essential scalar energy we've been talking about in this program can do this." So we need to start looking within for answers, not outside. Can you talk a little bit about this essential energy field that we
Cláudia Bernhardt Pacheco: need to have? When we speak about essential energy, what do we mean about that?
Yeah. So should you stay meditating with the universe, with the cosmos? This is not exactly what we mean. What we mean is that energy, essential energy, is a kind of light. It's a kind of vibration. It's an energetic vibration, which is very much related to higher levels of psychological factors, like, for instance, ideals, beauty, aesthetics, goodness, culture, truth. So we are endowed with incredible capacities, knowledge, the universals we have inside of us, which are the perfect concepts of things that exist in the cosmos.
So because of the envy jones we diminish this inner vibration we diminish our ideals we diminish our goodness our feelings of love our passion for life our happiness our joy the beauty that we see around us the beauty of creation so we diminish we attack we we destroy all these wonders of our lives and we create a kind of a hell in advance to live so every insight we have it's a kind of an insight it's a kind of illumination inner energizing process every consciousness you get like oh what an insight this gives or this allows energy to come in so every insight every perception that is uniting feeling and understanding the true realization of things in life This is very energizing.
So that's why when you are working, when you are acting with a good intention, you have plenty of good insights. So you have this all the time, all the time, all the time.
So you are energizing yourself all the time. That's why a composer can stay for hours, sometimes days, composing a piece of marvelous music, because they are energized by that energy that comes through their thoughts, their feelings, their brain. And this like invades, this energy invades our psychoimmune system, our psychogenetics, our cells. So we energize our beings when we are dealing and doing and living the higher scalars of our lives, scales of our lives.
Richard: But Cláudia, we can think that this only happens for the geniuses. But I think what you're suggesting
Cláudia: is that this is for everybody, that we have the same access, right? The same access. Why do we use just a tiny percentage of our brain capacity? Because of this, because of this unconscious envy. So if I look for, Jones, another example. It's very common couples fighting, lovers fighting.
And they think when there is love, there is hate. When there is love, there is jealousy. When there is love, there is fighting.
Richard: This proves that there's love, right? If you have this jealousy.
Cláudia: It's a kind of right thing in this situation. You know why? Because if you love and if you are envious, you will fight against the beloved object, the love object.
So if you have a girlfriend and if you feel too much attracted to her beauty or to her qualities and if you are envious and you don't see, you will start fighting against this girl and you will lose her. You will break the relationship. This happens every day, all the time. And children do this to their parents and parents do this sometimes to their children.
We do this with our partners, with our friends. So when I look at someone that has beauty, goodness, capacity, this immediately triggers these feelings of envy or this attitude of envy.
And if I'm not aware of this, this will work inside and I will hate the loved object and I will attack it. This loving object could be a person or like a material thing, like the planet, like... My job. My job. Sometimes I love so much a dress and I spoil the dress, pouring on the dress some coffee or something. And I mistreat objects that I like very much and this is all linked to this inversion that comes from envy.
Richard: I was going to say this is a very clear example of inversion because if you love the thing but you're expressing hate towards it, this is an inverted energy. Yes. And this inverted energy, let me see if I get this right, we receive the energy in a pure way but then we invert it because of our envy, our narcissism as you're talking.
What effect does this have inside our physical structure?
Cláudia: Well, for instance, Jones, very practical.
Some men or some women, they do this when they love another. Like, if you feel very much love towards a man, so the tendency will be to somatize this in your body and use the sex to destroy that feeling that is too strong for the person to stand. So it's very common when you admire a woman then you want to take her to bed because then you somatize that feeling that was very much intense.
So you have that woman in the bed in order to like it's, it diminishes the vibration to a level, to a material level that you can handle the situation. The same thing when you see a beautiful thing in in a place and then you want to buy it. You can't stand without buying that thing, because when you buy it, you possess that thing.
You somatize, you materialize your feeling, your admiration. Some people, many, many millionaires, they are so envious.
They want to own the world. All women, all cars, all possessions, all yachts, everything. Because they can't stand admiring, being grateful, feeling psychologically, being psychological. In their attitudes. They want to materialize everything so they can handle their envy.
Richard: I'm thinking of a great example from a movie that shows this, Cláudia. It's The Girl with the Pearl Earring, this great painting of Vermeer.
They made a movie of it, and Vermeer was being supported by this very rich guy. And this rich guy had the sense of domination over Vermeer, and so every painting this guy painted, Vermeer, the rich guy would end up with it in his room. And at the end of the movie, he has this beautiful picture, the girl with the pearl earring, and he's sitting there in this room with all of this art surrounding him, and he's looking at it, and he's desperate because he's tried to buy the thing, as you say, to reduce the thing, the beauty, the love, to a possession.
And
Cláudia: he's completely devastated in this experience. Yes, and in relationships, this is devastating too. Want to control, to dominate, to possess the beloved being. This is very envious. And I would now want to mention, Jones, that the biggest feeling of envy of all is towards God. Because he is the powerful.
Richard: The creator of everything.
Cláudia: He owns everything. He owns even myself, my life.
So if I cannot be humble enough to recognize this, I'll create a lot of trouble to me and to the planet.
Richard: Thanks as always, Cláudia. Thinking with Somebody Else's Head is on the Positive World Radio Network. I'm Richard Lloyd Jones, back with the science of transcendence and Caesar sauce next. The program is Thinking with Somebody Else's Head. You are listening, of course, on the Positive World Radio Network.
We're happy to be here.
Norberto Keppe's work, including some videotapes of him, too, so you can see him in action, dubbed or subtitled. He speaks in Portuguese, of course. Excerpts from his books, lots of great information there if you want to find out more about this remarkable science of Analytical Trilogy which we explore every week on our program.
And I'm very happy to have a very good friend of mine joining me today. Cesar Soós is one of the co-inventors of the Keppe motor. That's not why he's famous to me. I mean, he's famous for that reason too. But Cesar was, I think, Cesar, other than Dr. Keppe and Dr. Cláudia Pacheco, you were the first person, really, that I had contact with here who helped me to understand Trilogy better.
Cesar Soós: It's nice to hear that.
Yeah, so
Richard: I've always had a fond place in my heart for you. And Thinking with Somebody Else's Head comes from a conversation that you and I had many years ago where you said to me, you know, Richard, "we're really Thinking with Somebody Else's Head." And I thought, well, what a great title for a radio program. And then we sat down a number of years after that and began a series of interviews.
And those interviews that I did with you, maybe seven or eight years ago, formed the basis of the beginnings of our program. So you've had a big hand in our program, Thinking with Somebody Else's Head. And it's always wonderful to welcome you here because I'm never quite sure everything we're going to talk about. Cesar is a mining engineer by trade, but a cosmic thinker by nature, I think, by soul.
And we wanted to sit down and with all of this incredible work with the Keppe Motor and Energetics, Norberto Keppe's new physics, we can really understand some incredible things about the transcendental dimension of the human being and of reality.
I thought that might be a really nice topic for our program and it might be interesting to touch on the process of knowledge. How does Dr. Keppe see this?
Cesar: Well, first of all, it's important to say that the world has followed two different ways of thought in terms of how we acquire knowledge. The first one is Plato, comes from Plato, the Greek philosopher, and his follower, Aristotle, the second model.
The first model that the human being received by illumination, the ideas he has in his mind. This is Plato now. And on the contrary, Aristotle contradicts Plato saying that all the knowledge we have in our mind, in our intelligence, comes from the senses, from the sensory perception. Namely the the five senses we know, the physical senses. So this generated lots of debates and why Plato was left aside, because today our science follows Aristotle.
Science only believes in what it can confirms through instruments and experimentation and the senses, physical experimentation. And Plato was left aside exactly because he couldn't prove his theory. How does this illumination come to the mind? What is the process through which this happens? It was kind
Richard: of a mystical experience,
Cesar: mystical, so it was regarded as mystical. But now that we do discoveries of dr.
Norberto capi this becomes this debate comes back again and and most in favor of Plato now. And why? Because Dr. Cappi, with his work of disinversion, he could disinvert metaphysics, which was the basis of physics. And by disinverting metaphysics, he disinverted physics, and as consequence, he disinverted the main concepts in physics. So physics stopped being physical science and began to be a transcendental science.
With Keppe. With Keppe. Not with Aristotle. Of course, of course. And becoming a transcendental science, then Plato seemed to be more realistic. We
Richard: are illuminated.
Cesar: Yeah, we are illuminated. We have to go back and see what he...
Richard: What does it mean? In Dr. Keppe's language, because
Cesar: he'll have a different definition of this, maybe from what Plato said. So it's Keppe's definition of illumination, how we are illuminated with knowledge.
Yeah, just to clarify first the idea of Plato. Plato thought that our ideas came from the world of ideas, a mystical world, transcendental, that would supply ideas for us through the process of illumination. And this was mystical. But Dr. Cappi noticed with his works that matter is not the origin of energy. On the contrary, energy is the source of matter. So matter is energy in itself, but not according to Einstein.
Not that
Richard: energy. Not that energy in the sense that energy converts to matter and matter can be reconverted into energy.
Not in this relation. But for Keppe, matter is the space energy, the vacuum energy, contained in a certain time and space through the phenomenon of resonance.
Cesar: So, all the material world, all the physical world we see is consequence of a transcendental energy that is kept in time and space through the phenomenon of resonance.
Richard: Like imprisoned there somehow.
Cesar: It's imprisoned there, yes.
Richard: Okay. And this transcendental energy would be the energy of God. Yes. Depending on the resonance of the physical matter, it captures this energy, transcendental energy, from outside. And this transcendental energy is actually maintaining the plant or the rock
Cesar: or the human being. In different levels of vibration.
Richard: Explain that a bit better. I think my description of it is kind of vague.
Cesar: But for the listeners, how to complete the idea of the knowledge. Yes. For Dr. Keppe, it is more or less like this. I'll make an analogy so that people can understand. Suppose God has in his mind, in the divine mind creator of the universe, has a lot of infinite, infinite tuning forks vibrating in his mind.
And all of these tuning forks have different tones, tonalities. And these tonalities all together vibrating in harmony, they constitute the symphony of reality. So we human beings were created as similar to God by Him. And in this creation, God put all the tuning forks He has in His mind vibrating. We have the same tuning forks. The only difference is that we, through our acceptance or not, we make these tuning forks vibrate or not.
Richard: We don't create the tuning forks, we just vibrate with the tuning fork that already
Cesar: exists. Exactly. And we can be part of the symphony or out of the symphony through the acceptance of this energy of the vacuum. So through the energy, our tuning forks vibrate or not. And this can explain the phenomenon of illumination of Plato that he couldn't at his time.
Probably if Plato knew about the energy of vacuum, he could explain this illumination. You know but he didn't have any other alternative but to come up with the idea of reincarnation. So illumination
Richard: then would be like the tuning to that fork, that tuning fork in god's mind where the idea exists. So you said to me one time that that mozart for example who wrote symphonies in his head, yes he heard the music and wrote it on the paper with no corrections.
He was really capturing the music that was already in God's head.
Cesar: Exactly, Richard. And not only him, but Beethoven also, Liszt and many others. They said that. And also inventors and scientists and artists in general or people in all fields of action. They seem to be moved by some perceptions of this transcendental world. They seem to listen to God's voice in a certain way, you know.
Richard: I think it was Wagner who said that "he felt that there were enormous vibrations vibrating the ether everywhere, and that anyone who was sensitive to those vibrations was illuminated, was conscious, something like this," he said.
He was talking about this experience of vibrating with the vibrations of the ether.
Cesar: Yeah, we must understand that every one of us have this capacity. Inside of us, we are born with these tuning forks innate on us. And it's more or less like a relationship between a radio and the radio station.
If we decide to tune exactly to the radio station, we will listen to the radio station. Otherwise, we will be out of tune. Sure. And this is pathology. Sure. So, okay,
Richard: so tuning would be being who we truly are. Then if we're in tune with these vibrations in the ether from God, we would be harmonious and beautiful and good. This would be tuning to the correct radio station.
Exactly. Pathology is the act of rejecting this tuning. Exactly that. Interesting. So, then, if we do this, if we tune better to this radio station, then we must have more capacity then, mentally, physically even. How does Keppe see that?
Cesar: Yeah, he says in this way, what conventional science, I mean, positivistic science calls extrasensory phenomena, for Keppe in this inverted view of science becomes natural.
So becomes a sensory perception, not extrasensory perception.
So parapsychology means on the side of psychology, aside. But in fact, it's not aside, it's part of reality. So all of these phenomena that science has difficulty to understand and to study, they are natural. They belong to the realm of reality.
Richard: Okay, so let's talk about some of those, which is where we want to go. We have a few minutes here. We were doing a radio interview recently on Good and Green Radio right here on the Positive World Radio Network about the Keppe Motor.
And I remember that the host of the program, Susan Davis, and the producer who was listening to the recording was fascinated by this discussion you had of Dracula, of the energetic phenomena around Dracula. Let's explain this, what you were talking about there. Through Keppe's disinverted metaphysics, we can now understand the energetic phenomena that always occur in these horror movies.
What's happening there? What
Cesar: happens is this, Richard. Because physics is inverted, we try to take energy out of matter, out of material goods, material things like coal, gas, liquid, gasoline or uranium, whatever. But they are all, no matter if they are liquid, solid or gas, they are all material elements. And because of that, when we discovered electricity some centuries ago, we thought these electrons, this electricity would come from matter.
So it's a natural process of taking electricity, of acquiring electricity from material things. You know, with Dr. Keppe's view, the new view, matter is not the generator of any kind of energy. Matter is just a transducer. The energy just passes through matter. So the energy we see coming out from matter is a byproduct of a first primary energy that maintains matter in time and space.
So in this sense, electricity, to generate electricity out of matter means to destroy matter. We must use matter to give energy to us, but not by destroying it. So our motor, we developed a way to create, to generate movement in a motor without electricity. So what does that mean?
Richard: Hang on, Cesar, I'm going to
Cesar: have to break. There's a rule in radio.
You always keep them wanting more. So we'll
Cláudia: come back to our Dracula story and much more, of course. This is Thinking with Somebody Else's
Richard: Head on the Positive World Radio Network. Speaking with metaphysician Cesar Soós today. Metaphysicist, maybe, is the better word. Kepimotor inventor, co-inventor. And we'll be back in just a moment to consider our discussion of the transcendental phenomena explained through disinverting metaphysics.
Fascinating. Back in a moment.
We are Thinking with Somebody Else's Head, the Positive World Radio Network, Richard Lloyd Jones with you, and Cesar Soós back again. Well, we have to come back now to our discussion that we broke so impolitely in the middle of. And you were describing that energy doesn't come from the matter. The material is a transducer, is a transmitter. It like captures and re-emits, emanates this energy.
And so continue your discussion of that and then we'll come to Dracula because this is also fascinating. And one
Cesar: of your favorite subjects, I know. Well, I love this subject of metaphysics, you know. So, as I was saying, our scientists, they are taught to extract electricity, energy, I mean, from matter. So, that's why we destroy matter by acquiring electricity. And a clear example is a battery.
You have a battery, you take electricity out of it and you exhaust, you drain off the battery, right?
And so in this how can we make for example an electric motor to run without electricity? It's simple. If electricity comes from magnetism we can create electricity out of spinning magnets. You know before electricity takes place in a circuit we cut the circuit, we do not allow electricity to take place, because when electricity starts to become electricity it starts to destroy the battery, starts to destroy matter, and this is exactly what we do not want.
We just want to use the primary source, magnetism that comes directly from the essential energy of vacuum. So this is the principle our motor works, this is a more natural way of
Richard: producing energy, okay. And lots of information on the Keppe Motor site at KepiMotor.com. It's not a program about the Keppe Motor today, but if you want to research more, it's a great site and lots of very good discussions and videos.
KepiMotor.com, check it out there. Okay, continue, my friend.
Cesar: So, you are led to conclude that whenever electricity takes place, an entropic phenomenon is taking place too.
Richard: Entropy meaning the breakdown of the system.
Cesar: Breaking down of the system, to become out of resonance, to lose energy, loss of energy. All these are associated to entropy. The aging process of the cells, we can say, is entropy of the body.
The body is losing energy. And so, if you take, for example, the cases of the mentally ill people, you go to a psychiatric hospital, for example, It's very common for the psychiatrists to see electrical phenomenon happening, taking place around very sick people. And why that? Because these people, they are disturbing the energy they are receiving. So they are in an entropic way of thinking.
This is what is pathology.
Richard: Meaning that electricity is distortion in some way. Is this what you're trying to suggest?
Cesar: I'm trying to suggest that electricity is not exactly energy. It's lack of energy. Whenever you are losing energy, then the process of electricity takes place. If you look it from the point of view of physics, material, the matter, you will say electricity is energy. But if you go the other way around and you look from the point of view of transcendence, energy of vacuum, electricity is loss of energy.
It's when you are breaking resonance, you are breaking harmony.
Richard: So it's much inferior to this energy that you're using in the Keppe motor.
Cesar: Exactly, that's why our Keppe motor can run with efficiencies higher than 100 percent and this is already being, is already proved, okay. And the motor runs cold and has torque and power and
Richard: not entropic.
Yeah, not entropic. The people in
Cesar: mental institutions who the psychiatrist
Richard: notice electrical phenomenon around them because of this corruption of the true energy that they're receiving.
Cesar: Yeah, they disturb their mental field because out of their pathology, mental pathology, they disturb their field. They stopped capturing the energy, essential energy to feed their minds and to feed their bodies and then they become entropic as beings.
They start to emit an entropic field and this affects all the electricity around. This is very common in poltergeist phenomena for example when you enter into a house you see toasters not plugged in the sockets and they are burning, you know. This is
Richard: common. Just look at the literature. Every horror
Cesar: movie, when they reach the crisis, there's a lightning storm. Televisions being on and off, lights on and off.
Now the point of Dracula. In these horror movies, it's always associated, these very evil figures, to lightning, to thunderstorms. And what does that mean? When you have a hurricane, for example, you see thunderstorms inside of the vortex of the hurricane. And what does that mean? It means the hurricane is a disturbance of harmony of the nature, of the environment. So these thunders, these lightning bolts, they happen as a consequence of a force of nature to reestablish the equilibrium.
Richard: The equilibrium has been destabilized. Yes. The lightning storm then happens to restabilize the environment.
Cesar: As soon as it's restabilized, what happens? It's gone. The air is clear and stops. You do not see lightning.
Richard: It's very fresh. It's very refreshing.
Cesar: Exactly. So lightning is a consequence of a disturbance. Then you have electricity.
Motor running like that, you are provoking a disturbance in the system. And then electricity starts to happen and you make a motor to run. So you destroy the system. The motor gets hot, has a very short period of life and so forth.
Richard: So Dracula is having these electrical phenomena because he's so pathological. Exactly. So distorted.
Cesar: They act like hurricanes. They are like personal hurricanes.
We're provoking an enormous disturbance in this energy of space and time. And this energy starts to send lightnings trying to stop, to reestablish. That's why whenever, wherever they go, the lightnings, they follow.
Richard: But we have this idea in the horror movies, certainly maybe even in our consciousness, that this evil, this power is like powerful somehow. But you're suggesting that it's like a distortion of
Cesar: power, true power.
Yeah, exactly. The lightnings do not come out of them, but because of them. You
Richard: know, it's different. Yes, trying to re-stabilize. To
Cesar: re-stabilize. They are so evil. They create a vacuum in the vacuum energy, let's say.
Richard: Let's talk about some other phenomena of kind of esoteric transcendental experience that you might be able to shed some light on. Here, you're talking about how we are capturers, just like material.
We are not the creator of energy. We're the capturer and the transmitter of energy. Yes. If we weren't so pathological, if we didn't break this connection with the tuning forks of God, if we didn't break this so completely, would we live longer? That's for sure.
Cesar: You know why? Because one of the most updated theories about the aging process says that the free radicals are responsible for the attack of our DNA and our cells reproduce worse and worse as they reproduce.
Every next generation of cells reproduced in your body, they are more and more distorted. They're in entropy. This is entropy, you know. This happens, this takes place because we lost the capacity of tuning this energy of space the way we should. And as long as we come back to this state, we will profit from full contact with this energy. And it has the capacity of restoring our
Richard: free radicals.
Putting them back where they should be. Because a free radical is an electron that's broken away from the atom, right? Exactly. Because there's not enough energy.
Cesar: It's free radicals, they come. I also have an article written on this, and I explain it based on the new atomic model of Dr. Keppe. The free radical takes place whenever the nucleus, the core of the atom gets destabilized.
And so how come this core gets destabilized?
Because your mental process is not working well in tune with reality. And so you stop receiving this essential energy. The nucleus of the atom of your body gets weaker and then you become like a radioactive body.
Richard: So, to live longer, it doesn't necessarily help us to exercise more, to eat healthier food. Of course, we need to do all these things. This is always good.
Of course, but not enough.
Cesar: Not enough. It's a secondary element. Obviously, if we were living more in harmony... With the essence of life, we would conceivably. Naturally. Yes. Be healthier. Yeah. And eat better and look for healthier things. Is that why in the Bible people live to be 800 to 1000 years old? For sure, Richard. At least at their time, people were more connected to the, to this theological aspects.
They, they valued more the ethical values.
And today, our ethical values, values they are very relative. This relativization of ethics is one of the main factors that are leading us to death soon.
Richard: Now we have some cases of bodies that have died but have never have not deteriorated. There are many cases and i've seen pictures of padre pio in italy and saint bernadette in France. Their bodies are immaculate.
There's not any obvious signs of death in their bodies. They look like they're sleeping. How do we
Cesar: explain this? One of the other consequences of the inversion of physics, Dr. Cappi noticed that body and soul are the same energy. They are exactly the same. So you are already in transcendence. Even if you are in time and space now and you do not have consciousness of the place you were going after death, you are already living there and here at the same time.
So if you live according to ethical principles, like these saints lived according to these ethical principles, they received more energy. So their bodies were more energetic, and they presented extrasensory phenomena. Lots of them. Telepathy, by location, and materialization, levitation. Many of these phenomena took place with them, and also their body got incorrupted. Because after their death, their cells still were in tune with the soul.
You see, even if they were dead, their body was
Richard: dead, but they're still in tune with
Cesar: their soul, with the essential nature that they are. So their body is preserved. Yes, Richard, because the DNA is the same. The soul has a DNA, an energetic DNA, and this DNA is not destroyed. So through Capi's view, reincarnation is not possible. Uh, we need to talk
Richard: a little bit more about why reincarnation is not possible, because I think this is a metaphysical thing that we need to to explore.
Yeah, let's do that when we come back, okay? Because we need to take another break. I don't want you to start another theme without taking a little break. So we'll be back in just a moment. Okay, we're, you know, this discussion is like really really very very interesting, Cesar. It takes us to places that we don't have a chance to ever talk about.
And now with Keppe's new physics, we can begin to understand these phenomena that have not been explored and studied for at least the last 500 years, since the scientific revolution. So to me, it's a very exciting aspect of looking at this because now it becomes about science, not about something outside science, true science. So we're back in just a few moments, okay?
Don't go away. This is Thinking with Somebody Else's Head.
And if you like what we're talking about, make sure you send us an email about that. If you need more information, joneshealingatgmail.com. We're back in just a moment. Back once again. I hope you haven't unstrapped your seatbelt because I think it gets even more interesting. This is Thinking with Somebody Else's Head on the Positive World Radio Network. Richard Lloyd Jones with you, your host for today, and my dear friend, Cesar Soós.
And when I first came to Brazil, Cesar, about almost 10 years ago now, I had a sort of a vague notion about God. But I think it was very much in that new agey kind of way of like an energy, you know, that was good and transcendental and brought all good things. But it was not very clearly defined or clearly understood. And I've come to understand much better, of course, through Dr.
Keppe's science, what it means to talk about God and his son and all of these kinds of things. But I want to come back to this question of reincarnation. Because when I first came here, I had this sort of vague, unformed, generic belief that we did come back into this lifetime many times in different bodies and stuff. But in Keppe's metaphysics, this is not possible.
Why? This is
Cesar: not possible because…
Richard: Metaphysically
Cesar: now, not just a belief, not just talking another dogma, but in metaphysical terms, why is it not possible? Well, first of all, metaphysics deals with things that are outside time and space. Reincarnation involves the process of evolution, and evolution is inside time and space. So you can never make a good theory with secondary variables. Like for example, time.
Time cannot be part of a theory to explain something superior to time.
This is one philosophical argument. Scientifically speaking, the DNA is the same. It's a kind of vibration, it's like a fingerprint of energy. Your fingerprint is your energetic DNA, and this DNA cannot reincarnate in another body, because this body would be son of another father and another mother who have their own DNA's, their different DNA's. So how could the energy of your soul get in tune there and have exactly the same DNA of other two parents?
Fascinating. This is impossible.
Richard: Also, the idea that in true metaphysics, we are complete things. We are not partial.
Cesar: Of course, there are many things to consider in this, because for example, we know by experience that some people start to remember places, ancient places. They start to speak languages they never spoke. They recognize people that they never saw, and many of these cases
Richard: deja vu experiences.
Yeah,
Cesar: we have a phenomenon that called resonance explains this. You cannot enter in another body as if it was yours, because it's not the same energy. But you can participate in another body by resonance, and you can like cohabit a body after your death if you keep attached to this material plane. Because you cannot spiritualize, you are not interested, you didn't solve your spiritual problems.
You can get attached to people who think similarly to you, and you start cohabiting, to live together with that person. And so you will start to have ideas similar to the ideas of that person. Okay.
Richard: So you could be having the idea, similar idea of somebody who lived hundreds of years ago, for example. You're like resonating with those ideas and beliefs.
Cesar: You are capturing the ideas of spirits and thinking these ideas are yours.
I give you an example, a famous case of Edgar Cayce, a psychic, very famous in America. And he was commonly called, he usually called by the police to find people who were missing. And sometimes he laid down, he used to lay down in a couch, entering trance, a kind of trance. And his mind communicated with the mind of the missing person. And there are cases that the person was alive.
Completely alive and suffering in an accident. For example, the person had an accident with a car. A tree fell in a car and imprisoned the person under the log of the tree, the trunk of the tree. He couldn't
Richard: leave. For three
Cesar: days the person was there and claiming for help. Please help, help, help me. In his tuning with his mind, Edgar Cayce in trance started to say please help me, my stomach is hurting, my leg is broken, my, my.
He used the pronoun my, not his.
He didn't say his leg is broken, his stomach is bad, you know. So in this kind of tuning, you speak as if you were the other person. We speak as if we were the spirit, which is together with us. So you can remember things and speak for other person thinking is you, not
Richard: reincarnation at all.
Cesar: Not because in the case of Edgar Casey, you could, the police went there, saved the guy.
The guy was alive, not dead, and he confirmed everything that Edgar Casey said. So it was a communication, didn't involve reincarnation. And or in death, this question
Richard: of resonance then is kind of serious, because if we start to think bad thoughts. If we start to feel bad, if we start to contemplate evil, we are opening the door to resonate with things that are not so healthy, right?
Cesar: So the spirit can only do things in a material world if he is in resonance with a living person.
Richard: Let's talk a little bit about this factor of resonance in the phenomenon that happens periodically of organ transplants, where people are transplanted with organs from other people and begin to have memories. And desires. Desires, changes of food tastes, for example, changes in music tastes, opinions, ideas. What's happening there? How do we explain that?
Cesar: It's a matter of for you to accept an organ of another person.
It's because you changed your mind a little bit too. Otherwise, you would suffer rejection of the organ. And if you changed it, you accepted that organ. It means you accepted the energy that is contained in that organ too. And you start to enter in resonance with that energy. So you have memories. Because the memory is not in the brains. It's in every single cell of your body.
When you get an organ transplanted, you have the memory of the donor.
And because
Richard: we are not partial things, we are complete. Complete, yeah. We are born complete. We are born as a finished entity, which takes evolution out of the picture, too.
Cesar: Yeah, think like this, Richard. You think with the tip of your toe, too. Not only your brains, but your hair with your nails, your
Richard: hands. I have in front of me an incredible book that Dr.
Keppe wrote called Liberation. And he said something in this book that I've read this book a couple of times and never even noticed this line. It just shows you how we don't catch things because of our level of resonance. But listen to what he said in this chapter. He said, "any true accomplishment of man on either the physical or the spiritual level is simply a manifestation of something that already existed in his inner self, something that he allowed to become manifest, not something he created."
This means that we are not creators. We are capturers. That when we do something incredible, all we're doing is doing what we should be doing anyway. We can't take credit for that at all because it's what we're already here to do. So, for example, this radio program that I love to do so much, this is something that's always been in me to do, and I know that because I've had the desire to do this program since I was a young man.
I didn't have the knowledge base to do it, but I've wanted to do a program like this for a long, long time. And so it's something that's already in me. I can't take credit for it in that sense. I'm already programmed to be like that. This is a very different idea, isn't it? Beautiful
Cesar: idea. Let me share one secret with you and your listeners.
When I materialized Dr. Keppe's theory on physics in a motor, today known as the Keppe motor.
I was thinking about a motor for many years, and one day, three years ago, I woke up at three o'clock at night in the morning, and I listened inside my head a voice that said, "try pulse. Try pulse. Pulse. Try a pulse. Try a pulse." I knew what that meant. If you say that to most people, they wouldn't know what to
Richard: do with that.
But as I was thinking about this for years and years, I heard this tri-pulse. And then everything made sense. And you told a story that when you woke up, you drew many diagrams of motors, like fully formed inside you. You had the ideas already there. "Yes,
Cesar: seven different types of motors at once in another night. I drew them all."
Richard: So this is something that
Cesar: came from outside you.
From thinking too much, you connect not only with God's mind, but with the mind of scientists and spirits who want to help, who are tuned in the same task.
Richard: It's beautiful, isn't it? So Dr. Kepley says that if we don't do what we're supposed to do, somebody else will do it. If you don't think it, someone else will. So if one person does not feel it, there will always be someone who does because the truth needs only someone to accept it. We are acceptors of truth, not creators of truth. "Exactly.
You said it all." "Well, he said it. I'm just repeating it." "You've read it all." "I read
Cesar: it all. And I hope I read it well because it's so incredible, this, Cesar. But this gives a lot of hope for us, Richard, Because we are gifted with all happiness possible. We don't even think about how much happy we can be. And all of this is in our hands.
You know, we are like blind for
Richard: truth. It means then that we have all of this potential that we have is not a potential at all. It's just a rejected accomplishment, right?"
We are full accomplishment already, but we don't accept that. So as we begin to accept more and more, we begin to have more and more accomplishment.
Cesar: We have to stop this idea of wanting things, but start to think that let's stop rejecting reality.
Richard: That is such a great point, Cesar. And it's the fundamental aspect of Dr. Keppe's work. Well, thanks, Cesar.
Keppe about the essence of society. Because if we're talking about a transcendental world, which we were doing, our transcendental experiences, what is the truth of our society? According to Dr. Keppe, and his studies in psychosociopathology have shown a lot, the human being was created in a state of perfection, not in a state of corruption. But because of our choice, because of our conduct, we entered what's called pathology, what religion calls sin.
And that takes us away from the true reality that we are. So as Cesar said at the end of our interview there, "we are rejecting the truth of what we are." So the same thing happens in society. Society is created as something good, beautiful, and truthful. And it's only later because of our pathology, our individual pathology, and the sociopathology in scientific terms that we've deviated from this more perfect state.
So what would be an authentic society then? Certainly not the society we're living in today. Well, society in its essence is good, beautiful, and true in its essence now, not in the practice that we see today. And how do we know that? Because you don't see the ordinary person walking down the street and suddenly punching somebody. You know, we all have this sense that society needs to be something good.
That's inside the human being. We can deviate from that, which happens with the delinquents and the criminals of society, and especially these sociopathological people in power. But it's not the normal reality for the human being. The original structure of society is perfect. And this is a really great thing to know. So society can supply, in its true state, mental equilibrium, equilibrium mental balance.
It deviates from that. When we have faulty education, when we have inverted values, we put money above what it means to be human. Then we run into problems. You know, my father used to say that the problem with the human being was we came with no operating manual. And now after studying here down in Brazil, I realized that that's not quite true, is that we have a lot of operating manuals.
I was studying with my students during the week last week, the Declaration of Human Rights from 1948.
And it's such an incredibly beautiful document. And you realize that all of the rules, all of the laws for how to be a better human being, how to have a better society already exist from the French Revolution, the American Constitution, probably any constitution of any democratic country in the world. So a beautiful society exists. We don't permit it. This is our problem.
Well, that's our program for today. It's been great to have you along, of course, as always. Thinking with Somebody Else's Head on the Positive World Radio Network, I'm Richard Lloyd Jones.
Till next week. Bye-bye.
