Richard Lloyd Jones: We put up the decorations. We send out the cards with the heartfelt wishes for peace and goodwill. We sometimes even sing the songs. But the desires for peace on earth and remembrances of the real meaning have long been obscured in the frustration of finding a blasted parking spot. Joyous Christmas time is not much of that anymore. Today on Thinking with Somebody Else's Head, let's revisit the true meaning of Christmas.
I'm Richard Lloyd Jones. You know, I remember in my youth waiting for the Christmas spirit, that elusive feeling of peace and spirituality that would kick in at some point in the holiday season. It could be a cold evening visit from a group of carolers that did it, or a visit from much-loved but little-seen relatives, or maybe Scrooge's transformation in the annual family viewing of Dickens' A Christmas Carol.
And now I'm dating myself, aren't I? Even starts to sound like I'm talking about the 19th century, right? But it was something that did take over at some point. The Christmas spirit. For a short time, all would really be calm. All would really be bright. But around 2 p.m. On Christmas Day, we'd all start to feel the restlessness kick in. No stores to go to, nothing open, nothing to do.
Actually, maybe that's why they instituted Christmas Day NBA games. Everyone just got too bored. And I don't think it's any coincidence either that the 26th, Boxing Day in Canada, is the biggest sales day of the year in my country. People are so jumpy they'll start lining up at 5.30 in the cold morning to be the first to slap the credit card on the counter to get the deeply discounted Blu-ray DVD player or next year's Christmas wrap.
But let's try to return today, if we can, to remember the true spirit of Christmas. Let's see if we can't overcome our materialism just a little to have a new spirit this year, and one that's much needed. Dr. Norberto Keppe's Analytical Trilogy gives us a beautiful perspective, a theological, philosophical, and even scientific insight into what should be our most precious and spiritual time of the year.
Well, I'm joined today by quite a crew as we prepare our special Christmas podcast today. Cesar Soós, our resident energy wizard, my dear friend Susan Berkley, who's making her semi-annual trip from New York to be with us here in Brazil, and of course, Dr. Cláudia Pacheco. A special program today as we look at what Christmas is really and how it's important to us.
Cláudia, you said in our last podcast that instead of enjoying Christmas, we get all caught up in all the commerce of it. But that Jesus came with a message of hope and optimism and a way to get back to paradise. Why don't you expand on that a little bit now as we start our podcast? Well,
Cláudia Bernhardt Pacheco: what we see presently in all the places is this mentality of commerce.
Commerce dominated the world. The merchants took the power and they lead or they give the tune to everything in our lives. And what we see is that money is invading more and more our lives in a negative sense. Because as we said before in our previous podcasts, money should be used and enjoyed by all of course, and make our the quality of life better for everybody.
But in reality, money, the way it is used by the merchants, has been a means to to make life more difficult, to enslave, to exploit, to corrupt, to in prison, to make economy more difficult, to put obstacles in in making The Wealth of Nations, in the improvement of science, of arts, of civilization. Money, the way it has been used. It has been blocking civilization to develop on the opposite.
It has deteriorated the quality of life, of humanity. And when we speak about Christmas, we all have this inner sense, this inner intuition or feeling that this would be the time to have good feelings, to be happy, to share, to love, to be grateful, to enjoy the beauty and the wonders of creation, because this is the day when God was born here among ourselves.
So this is an incredible good news because humanity at that time was so, so degraded in its psychogenetics that it was necessary, scientifically explained even, that God's son would come and be born as a human being from the womb of a human woman. I mean, a real human being, which was Mary, his mother. And today we can explain further why and how, scientifically explaining through metaphysics and the new physics of Keppe and through energetics, we can explain better why it was necessary for God be born here as half human.
So coming back to the main idea, all humans have in their inner essence, the inner selves, this notion that Christmas should be time of joy, should be time of peace, of communication, forgiveness and enjoyment. Now, money, the way it has been used, has been corrupting this well-being. Commerce. If you go to any shops, you see thousands, millions of people agitated, feeling horrible, drunk sometimes, drugged many times, anxious because they need to buy and buy and buy and buy.
They obey, they just serve. They are like robots working for the commerce, to give more profits, to consume, to consume the planet, to extinguish the resources. And does this bring any satisfaction? Of course not, because our essence is not idealized by our creator to be consumers. We are here to accomplish. We are here to create, to be original, to continue the work of God.
We are here to be similar to Him and to accomplish, to imitate Him in what He did.
Richard: You know, Cláudia, Dr. Keppe says in his wonderful book, Glorification, which is really his homage to God, he says, no matter what happens, the human being strongly resembles his Creator. With his beauty, goodness, and veracity, and no matter what man may do, he will never cease to be magnificent in his origin.
Cláudia: That's right. So we have to go back to the meaning of Christmas, to the true meaning of Christmas, which is the big, big news that we have now a chance to go back to our original magnificence, as you said, and to the original glory that we were meant. For. Well, maybe
Richard: here at this point we could see a little what our other guests have to say here.
Susan? Well,
when you were speaking about this being a time of hope, you know, there's so much going on in the world. This has been a really difficult year for many people, and it looks like 2009, economically at least, will be a difficult year as well. And one of the reasons I come down to Brazil is to fortify myself and also to get new ideas to bring back to others in the United States.
And I opened one of Dr. Keppe's books before this podcast, Universe of the Spirits, and there was an excerpt there from a psychoanalytical session, as there are in many of his books. And the patient says, I'm not sure that when I'm in my 60s, I'll be able to accomplish any good if I've done everything wrong in the past. And then Dr. Keppe says, one year that you live well is superior to all the years you didn't do any good.
And this is a message he brings in all of his work, the persistence of goodness. Would you like to comment on that Cláudia? Well
Cláudia: I would like to say that now we have a big chance to start doing better in our lives. As you said, this year was difficult and the year to come it will be more difficult in terms of finances, even more than in terms of work, because we have everything to do in front of us, Susan.
Everything is still to be done. So many incredible, incredible accomplishments, developments, industry, agriculture, even commerce. In a good sense. Education. Science. Arts. Everything in civilization is to be developed. So we have so much work to do. And as I said, some people in power have been using money as a means to hold back civilization. And this comes from their intention, which is unconscious most of the time, and for most of them a theomaniac and envious arrogant intention to dominate the world as if they were the the gods of the world in a negative sense, against the true similarity to god.
So we have everything to develop. We have here Cesar at our side, and he's just bringing a chance with the CEPI motor development. He is bringing, as Roberto Frascari is bringing, his team of technicians are bringing a new chance to develop an incredible industry of eco, natural, and even metaphysical kind of technology. Isn't that true, Cesar?
Cesar Soós: Yes, this is very true. And the science of Dr.
Keppe is amazing because it gives excellency to the spirit over matter. And this couldn't be different in the field of physics. Physics traditionally thinks that matter creates energy. In Dr. Keppe's science, he puts the other way around. He sees energy creating matter. So all the machines should be developed under the principle that matter should capture energy from space, from the cosmos, should capture the energy emanated by the creator.
Because the entire universe is energy, is free energy for all of the creatures in this universe to use freely, with abundance, with no privation. And so our technology should head towards this orientation. We should stop destroying the planet. We should stop destroying the species. We should stop destroying the seas and the waters, the air, the planet itself. Because we are inverted. We are inverted in our way of thinking.
We give primacy to matter over the soul even. We think we have to have things to be happy and not to leave what we are. We should start thinking that our action, what we do, is the most important thing in our lives for us to be happy. If we are unhappy, it's because we are not using the talents, the gifts God gave to us for free.
We are thinking about being someone else We are thinking about being someone we are not
Richard: So let me just interrupt you here, Cesar Because it's a beautiful wave you're riding here And Dr. Keppe has talked about this directly As being pathological, not the essence of who we are That we're inverted because of our theomania Dr. Keppe talks about this in glorification again That he had the idea in the beginning That God meant us to suffer that he meant us to have a difficult life, that we would know God through struggle and hardship.
But this is not true, is it, Cláudia? This is our pathology that causes us to be inverted from the truth of ourselves.
Cláudia: Ah, and this is an ancient problem for humanity. Even the Oriental philosophies, they praise suffering. They cultivate suffering. This morning I was attending a patient. She's a Japanese. And she has this tradition, this Japanese tradition, which is to have an altar and praise the soul of the dead members of the family, the ancient members of the family.
But they end up not by communicating with these souls or these ancient family members, but they end up by cultivating all the struggle, the pain, the conflicts that were in the family in the previous generations. So I asked her this morning, what do you associate the family philosophy, the attitude inside your family? And she said it's horrible, it's total suffering, but if I don't follow them I feel guilty.
So I told her, okay, so you what you are saying is that you want to be loyal, you want you think it's necessary to be loyal to suffering and to pain, and this is what you bring to your son, this philosophy and not spirituality, and not cultivating the memory of your ancestors. You are cultivating the notion of suffering and pain. And this morning I saw another patient which said, oh everybody's so happy this Christmas and this New Year's Eve, but I associate the Christmas and New Year's Eve to suffering.
And I said why? Because my mother died in Christmas day and my father died in New Year's Eve, so when these feasts are approaching I keep questioning what horrible will happen. So I said, okay, so what do you associate what happened to your mother and father? And she said suffering, horrible pain. And I said, okay, so you are saying that you are very much linked and hoping for suffering pain, because you could associate the death of your father and your mother with beauty, because imagine what a beautiful day is to die in Christmas day or in New Year's Eve.
Everybody's going to die. So it's something that we have to go through. So why have this notion? And so you must be loyal to suffering. And she said, yes, this is right. I always think that if I am not suffering somehow I feel guilty. And then I said, I asked her, but what do you associate suffering with? And she said Lucifer. So we are being loyal to Lucifer, to these demonic energies, when we are loyal to suffering.
And so many religious people do this, they are cultivating suffering, pain, necessity to be sick and trying to find a meaning in sickness, which is the denial, the denial of life, the denial of truth, the denial of happiness. We are sick people, this is what we have to see and to accept, but this is a decayed condition that we should acknowledge in order to raise up our energies.
Cláudia
Richard: Cesar said in our weekly international teleclass last Saturday that he felt Dr. Keppe's work of Analytical Trilogy was to free us from hell, from this suffering that we create. In energetic terms, as I understand this, we break the link with the goodness, truth, and beauty which form all of the true reality of the universe. This means, I guess, that we break from God.
And this is our big problem. Let's talk about that process for a moment.
Cláudia: And I want also to bring back this concept of energy. Cesar was speaking about energy. We have essential energy in us. We are essentially energy. We are energy. We are energy. We are energy that emanated from God. So it's interesting to see this question about energy going on, isn't it?
Lack of energy, people charging for energy, people looking for other means of energy, and everything is energy. All around us, we have abundance of energy. So what is this idea that energy is missing in the world, that we have to pay for energy, that if we don't pay for the energy, we are going to die, we cannot work, we cannot survive. Everything is energetic, it's energy.
So what is this delusional idea that energy should be paid, that it's controlled, it's lacking, it's an absence of energy? We are all energy, energetic beings, energetic nature, everything is energy. So how come people don't realize this, that it's not some sources of nuclear powers or some wind power, those
Richard: hydraulic, hydroelectric things, and you pay hundreds and billions of dollars. And if you don't pay your energy bill, you're going to freeze to death in the winter.
So
Cláudia: what delusional this is, because everything is energy in the universe. We have all energy around. So is the misuse of energy we do, that is the question. The misuse of energy that powerful people do, even depriving us from the true sources of energy. But we also, because we are stupid, we have all energy around us. And we have many means to use this energy, starting from ourselves.
So if we deny our energetic nature we decay and decay we get sick sooner than we should we die and we are not supposed To die. So the good news that Jesus brought when he was born here, was that through psychogenetics, through our RNA, through the true habits, doing good, beautiful and truthful things to our neighbor, as we want to do to ourselves.
So being honest, being ethical, being good. This is the way to be energetic and have health. So it's all upside down. It's all upside down. Even the notion of energy in the world. And this is what we are bringing. In 2009, it's good news. Good news to everybody who has a good intention. Good news, because we will have other chances to deal with reality now than before.
Richard: All right, so you opened up the subject of Lucifer, which would lead us to consider the fallen angels who rejected the perfection that they lived in. But isn't this what we do, too? We reject our natural birthright, too? How can we begin to treat this?
Cláudia: All pathologies are the blockage, the denial, the distortion of the true energy, which is good, beauty, and truth.
Goodness, beauty, and truth inside of ourselves. This seems to be theoretical, but it's very practical. If we apply this notion in our everyday life, if we put good action in front of anything, we will see many mistakes. Because if you want to do something good, Richard, you will find a lot of difficulties, starting from social structure. If you want to be good, then a client says, OK, I want to be good.
What shall I do? I have a client I attend in San Diego and he's really honest, wanting to be better. He's sick and he has been sick for several years. I mean, socially, mentally with difficulties. And now he has a somatization and he's really wanting to get better. And when I told him, you should start doing good in your life in order to be good and to feel good.
And he said, but what shall I do? How would I start to do good? Because in society, there are not so many chances to be good. Some volunteer work, some humanitarian associations. No, this is not, this is okay. But the real thing is to be good in essential terms, being honest, being truthful. Whatever you do, do it with good intention. And this is very difficult.
And we have a lot of pathology. And as Keppe says, even our errors, our mistakes are important, very important, because they give even more glory to perfection. Every mistake shows that there is perfection. Otherwise, as Cesar said, there would be no mistakes. If there would be no perfection, there would be no mistakes. So the consciousness of mistakes are truly, truly, truly important.
Starting from here. This is the way we go back to our essential energy.
And God didn't create those mistakes.
Cláudia: No, he did not. We did.
Some people think that God
Cláudia: created good and evil, dark and light and all this. That's right, Susan. But this doesn't mean that we have to have this hypocritical intransigent way of seeing humanity or ourselves, because this brings tension, stress.
We see hundreds of mistakes. Capio used to say, no, Capio, no, I think it was St. Augustine that said that the most perfect saint would commit at least seven severe sins per day. I thought
Cesar: this was
Richard: supposed to
Cesar: be optimistic.
Cláudia: So that's it. So we have to deal with that. We don't need that perfection anymore. We need to have the notion or the consciousness of perfection that we get from resonance with God.
And this resonance with God, we can better have it through the work of Jesus Christ. So this is the best way to be in resonance with God. But
Richard: not just in terms of just believing in him, right? Or living in him, but of actually trying to live our lives by the same values he did, right?
Cláudia: Exactly, trying to imitate him as much as possible.
This is the big work. But this is the way,
Cesar: as he said, I'm the way, I teach the way. So trying to imitate him. I have a comment to do. Lucifer in paradise, before he fell, before he and his angels fell, he was the angel of light. Angel of light meaning that he was the angel that had more consciousness of everything. The Bible says that.
And after the fall, because he entered in this attitude of arrogance, he lost his light and all of his angels also lost the light. So that's why they are represented as dark angels, no light. But this, the human being, we cannot forget that even in the Bible says that the human being followed Lucifer, you know, represented in that, in Adam and Eve story, right?
So we are in this condition here on earth. And Dr. Keppe's work all the time says that we do not want to see our pathologies. And this is our main problem because pathology means lack of consciousness. Pathology means lack of energy. Pathology means darkness in ourselves.
Cláudia: You mean pathology is the same as sin? Scientific
Cesar: word, right?
Cláudia: Yeah, scientific name for sin is
Cesar: pathology, yes.
And so, through unconscious pathology, we get in connection, we get in resonance with these dark spirits. And the worst of all is because this is not aware in us. So, we are used by these demonic entities, unaware. We think we are doing good things, but we are moved by evil spirits without knowing. So
Cláudia: I would like to add to what you're saying, Cesar, that Keppe did a comparison, a comparative work between a religious tradition and revelation and science.
And he compared what is a healthy person and what is a sick person. What is a healthy angel and what is a sick angel. So that's why he calls the devils or demons as schizophrenic angels. Because what angels did in the past, what angels did with their light, as you said, with their consciousness, because they were envious. Because they suffered from this theomania also.
They wanted to be above God. They didn't want to be creatures. They wanted to be themselves the rulers of their kingdom. So those angels, they became schizophrenic, maniac, depressive, epileptic, whatever sickness they had. And now human beings are the same. We, for envy, for theomania, we don't want to be creatures. We want to be the creators of our universes. And if we don't succeed in doing this materially, at least we live in our fantasies and in our ideas.
So we are schizophrenic, we are maniac depressive, we are epileptic, we are obsessive. And all this resonance, as you said, is always linked to pathology. So we can say that we have depressive thoughts that are in resonance to depressive angels. We have aggressive suicidal or homicidal thoughts because we are in tune with paranoid angels. We start making intrigues and blaming other people for our problems because we are in resonance with the paranoid and projective angels.
So this is a much easier way to understand the process of resonance with angels. And as Thomas Aquinas said, each one of us has an angel, should have a good angel to talk to, to resonate with. But it seems that we have double angels. We have millions of negative angels around us and starving for energy. Vampires.
Richard: Wow Cláudia, so what an opportunity this is for us to begin to change our experience and resonate with with the good angels.
Cláudia: How do you do that? How you can resonate with good angels? By
Richard: doing good, by
Cláudia: by acknowledging the mistakes, the pathologies, because you know why, because those angels they can't stand consciousness, they can't stand light anymore. So if i am humble. And if I admit, oh, how envious am I, so how depressive, how paranoid, how schizophrenic, whatever bad attitudes I have during Christmas, of how voracious, how envious, how unsatisfied, how ungrateful, how whatever we can see, how egotistic, how theomanic, how arrogant.
And so every time i feel this consciously, i feel i recognize attitudes like this, those angels cannot take it, they just run away. So this is the best way we exercise ourselves. And you know
there is something so beautiful that dr Keppe wrote, which is that every human being has in his inconscientized memory the recollections of a wonderful existence which we still feel as adults on Christmas morning, don't we?
No matter our religion, everybody feels this. And man doesn't know, Keppe says, how to clearly distinguish exactly when and how this was. It seems this relates to the ephemeral contact we have with the divine universe that remains at the basis of human existence and that we haven't been able to enjoy because of our fundamental envy.
Cláudia: Yes. I get chills when I think of what he said.
Oh, you know why? Because
this is our essential life. We
Cláudia: are all born to live this. So when we read this, we enter in tune, we get in resonance with this knowledge, with this truth, and then we ascend. We ascend in our energetic vibrations, and we go up, up, up to heaven. Here, now, because we are linked to transcendence here and now.
Richard: And Dr. Keppe's work of bringing good into the world scientifically, not just through faith, is very beautiful, I think. He says, our participation in the glory of God elevates us to a dimension that is beyond description.
Cláudia: May I invite you to something, Jones? Yes. First of all, I want to thank you for your work very, very much. Because we see that people who listen to your podcast, they benefit so much from your work.
This is a beautiful work. I don't want to praise
Richard: you too much, so
Cláudia: otherwise you get too vain or too
Richard: sick and
Cláudia: too proud. But continue
doing this, Jones, don't stop this. And I
Cláudia: will invite you and all our participants and Susan and Cesar and your podcasters to try to ascend through the revelation of the pathology and the revelation of truth that Keppe developed based on the teachings of the ancient wise man.
And also from Jesus Christ's teachings, through these revelations, we could ascend a lot in our vibrations. And we could have in our minds that we might get there. We could get there to glorification. We could, through the good actions and starting this new civilization, start a new year of glory to humanity which we were created for. Now another thing is that 2009 will be a year of falling apart of many institutions, inverted institutions.
Don't be afraid of that, this must happen anyhow, because all inversion will not last. What will last and What will be important is that you create within yourself, inside of you, deep down in your being, this column as even some Jewish Kabbalah speak about, this inner column of light and consciousness which is direct link to God. So we would be channeling the energy of God much better.
Seeing our mistakes. Acknowledging our pathologies. Being humble is the only way. Very few people want to pay for this price. No, many people are ready to pay this price to be humble. So it's now our turn. The other day Keppe was speaking about four phases of humanity that the true wise people were the ancient people. As he said, the old ages, in ancient ages.
In history, how do you say this in English? Ancient times,
Richard: yeah. Ancient times.
Cláudia: And then, because of the unconsciousness around pathologies, social and individual, there was this decay. So the the true wise man gave place to medieval times, where they were already not developing, not going forward, but decaying. And then another age, the modern age, was even worse, because we were more and more distant from the true wisdom that were was more characteristic to the ancient wise man.
And now the contemporary age, which is the total disaster, total disaster. And when he was explaining this and saying that we are now starting a new civilization, all this statue tradition of Daniel, this prophecies, came clear to my mind. Four ages, four empires before the everlasting fifth empire. So we are opening the gates for the fifth empire. And this is very very beautiful, to be born, to live, and to participate in the foundation of this fifth empire, which will be the universal spiritual everlasting empire of God, here meaning the true empire for humanity.
Plane of wisdom, plane of consciousness, and very energetic. And hoping, Cesar, we have even flying saucers around to
Cesar: travel. We'll have a cosmic brotherhood.
Cláudia: A cosmic civilization. This will be something, isn't it? Yes. A true cosmic civilization. We wish everybody a very happy, very happy in terms of accomplishment, Trilogical Accomplishment 2009, the year to try to get to glorification.
Richard: And that is my wish for you all, too.
Merry Christmas from all of us at the International Society of Analytical Trilogy. I'm Richard Lloyd Jones. Maybe Bach says it better than any words could ever do, lifting us into 2009. May it be a year of consciousness and light, a true door to a new world.
