Richard Lloyd Jones: I'm Richard Lloyd Jones, and this is Thinking with Somebody Else's Head. In Shakespeare's Tempest, Ferdinand, in desperation at the terrible plight of ship and crew, cries out, Hell is empty, and all the devils are here. And looking around at our situation today, it's not difficult to reach the same conclusion. Except that our modern materialistic science doesn't allow for that conclusion. Oh, we might utter the words, but I doubt most of us would use words like hell and devils in anything more than an illustrative sense.
We almost certainly wouldn't mean it literally. But there is a very modern science emerging here in Brazil that does consider the power of spiritual influence to inspire the human being, both for good and for evil. And yes, I do mean a science. And what the scientist responsible for this view, Dr. Norberto Keppe, maintains is that the evil is winning, as long as we don't have more consciousness of this.
That means reuniting theology and philosophy again with exact science, as used to be the case. So we can really understand our situation. Under Control of Evil, today, on Thinking with Somebody Else's Head.
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Well as always with these more theological programs I feel the need to explain myself a bit. I came to this knowledge later in life. For the first half of what I hope will be a long life I always like most of my peer group interested first and foremost in making a good living and having a life full of rich and rewarding personal and professional experiences.
I traveled. I loved and lost. I tried to develop a top spin serve. I cooked and played music and focused on my self-growth. And then I read a remarkable book written by a Brazilian psychoanalyst and social scientist called Liberation of the People, the Pathology of Power, which was given to me by my dear friend Susan Berkley, who's been a frequent guest on our programs, actually.
In this book, Dr. Norberto Keppe blew my mind. I mean, I'd been reading everything I could get my hands on about social therapy, trying to get a handle on the problems I saw all around of poverty and injustice and psychotic capitalism and socialism. I didn't know what to make of it all, because everything you read is slanted towards the mindset of the writer.
So it's very hard to find objectivity. Keppe's book was brilliant in that respect. Liberation of the People is a psychoanalysis of the society and the human beings who compose that society. It's not coming from a point of view. It's not furthering a social theory or trying to sell a course based on the concepts. It's a scientific analysis of the psyche of the architects of our modern society, which is all of us in part, but largely the result of the sickness of the most powerful among us, who, after all, drive the society the most.
And when Keppe talks in this book about how these corrupt leaders act like demons, well, that really got me thinking. He means this metaphorically, right? I said to myself, like an illustration, doesn't he? Well, no, he doesn't. In a classic Kepian blending of science with classic Judeo-Christian theology and Roman Stoic philosophy, he widens the approach to analyzing problems. We can now see the demonic influences in our world and fully understand the root of our human problematic.
We are following an evil orientation, not the divine one that's our true birthright. Maybe you can see why that called to me so strongly that I sold the house my wife Madeline at the time and I had in New York, put all our stuff into storage and moved to Brazil. For six months to start, but stretching to many years as I deepened in the purpose of Keppe's and Dr.
Cláudia Bernhardt Pacheco's work of trying to lead the way to a true society and civilization. So on today's program, I'd like, with Dr. Pacheco's help, to penetrate this theological dilemma and look at how we are under the control of evil. We'll dig in in just a moment when Thinking
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Richard: This is Thinking with Somebody Else's Head on the Stop Radio Network. I'm Richard Lloyd Jones, and in just a moment, Cláudia Bernhardt Pacheco will join us. I want to just give you some idea of what you can do to listen to our programs. You know, we have a lot of people from, I think it's 188 countries now who have been tuning in our Stop Radio Network.
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And we need to get those programs out there. A good friend of mine in the Okanagan Valley in British Columbia has been spreading our radio programs on his boomer radio network, Alan Hollander. And I want to thank you for that, Alan. And please, let us get out to the world. It's important that we do. Cláudia Bernhardt Pacheco, we were talking last time about many things, as we often do, particularly the gap between science and theology and how science is incomplete because science is separated from philosophy, theology.
And now with Dr. Keppe's science bringing theology and philosophy back into science, we have a more complete understanding of how the world works. But in listening to our last program, I was thinking that we don't have a very complete view of what is the spiritual world in our modern society. We've banalized the idea of evil, haven't we? Evil has become something, well, I made a mistake here, or I did a little something stupid there, but it was just a mistake.
We don't really understand the significance of evil and what it means and how it acts in our life. Could you talk a bit more about how you and Dr. Kim...
Cláudia: This is the most sensitive. Subject ever, Richard. And when we say, when we quote some exorcists saying that the bigger or the biggest technique that Lucifer uses and his fellows use is to like to pretend or to disguise their existence.
To make believe they don't exist. So they are invisible, intangible. They don't, you know, they can act freely behind the scenes until the point where and when the person is so much involved with these evil forces that they need to acknowledge. They come in front of the person, like they show up. Sometimes they show up like a visual, it's visible, it's like you have visions, you sense smells, very horrible smells, odors that are horrible.
Or you can even feel their touching, like it's, how do you call this sensorial thing?
Richard: Like a brushing of the skin?
Cláudia: Yeah, yeah. In Portuguese we say, é uma experiência tátil. Yeah,
Richard: a tactile experience.
Cláudia: Yeah, and you can have this. You hear them. And sometimes you don't see them with your senses, but you feel its presence in your life. But then it can be too late, you know.
They only show up like this when the person is already gone or they are already given to him. These
Richard: experiences you're talking about, these tactile experiences or the ability to smell or see them, there's a number of scientists who do a lot of experimentation, a lot of work now with the muscles of the face, the micro-expressions they call them. TV show based on their work called Lie to Me.
And there are moments when the person will reveal something in the facial muscles that shows
a great anger or
Cláudia: hate or disrespect, something very strong that passes in like a microsecond.
Richard: There's some people who are tuned into that. They can see that. But maybe this is an example of, in psychological terms, the mask falling and us seeing the way the person really is.
It's like the mask comes down. For just a brief second, we see this. Is this what you're talking about, maybe?
Cláudia: Not only. What you're saying is like when you see an evil spirit in the person, inside that person, or the person himself became an evil being. What I'm speaking about is spirits, like no matter, no body. But real decayed angels and spirits, like human souls that they have left this life in a very bad situation, and they are like demons, human demons.
And they stay around here. They need our energy to stay. And why do I speak about this? Because what is the richest scientific material about spirits, Richard? It's psychoanalysis. It's psychiatry. Psychotherapy. It's the inner life of the person. It's the psychological life of human beings. Psyche means soul. So our practice, being psychoanalysts, we deal with these problems every day, every day. And it's too simplistic to think, to consider that their visions, their turmoils, their terrors, their
Richard: horrors
Cláudia: are just dreams, nightmares, visions, everything.
And
Richard: like disgraces and people come
Cláudia: and they say, I don't know what is happening to me. Everything goes wrong, everything, everything. I attract evil to my life. What is happening? And panic attacks, you know. So we deal with this every day. And why should we just be blinded by this materialistic psychiatry that simply in the last 20th century considered spirits and demons non-existent, just a fabrication of our brain cells.
So this is ridiculous. This has always been for millennia.
Richard: Well, I know I'm listening to you now after 16 years here with a lot more openness, but when I first came here to Brazil, coming from North America,
Cláudia: The idea, you guys were talking about spirits. I was going, but that's like middle
Richard: ages. Yeah, that's like 500 years ago. We don't talk about that anymore.
And now you're, I'm seeing, of course, today how naive and ignorant we are.
Cláudia: We are lucky in Brazil, as I said before, because here Brazilian people really accept this concept of the spirituality and spirits being active in our everyday life. And so this is like something we live every day. Yeah, normal. Normal, it's normal.
Richard: But what is
Cláudia: abnormal is this integration. I mean abnormal because it's not...
Richard: It's not happening.
Cláudia: But what Keppe did was an integration between psychology or psychoanalysis and theology. So, exorcists and doctors, they say, we need to distinguish when a person is possessed or obsessed by demons or when they are just mentally sick, schizophrenic, multiple personality, and having psychological disorders. What Keppe noticed absolutely, clearly, is that there is no illness without a spiritual influence.
Richard: Without a spiritual
Cláudia: component somehow.
Yes, and there is no possession or obsession without illness, psychological illness. They are integrated. They are all together, you know. And this relies like it's lying on a principle, metaphysical principle. That evil or the sickness or what is bad, what is negative, does not have substance. It exists only on goodness, meaning evil is the absence of goodness. There is no evil by itself.
It's always the destruction of goodness. So, understanding sickness, understanding evil like this, one must understand that there is not such a thing as evil like evil by itself. Evil is the absence, is the denial, is the attack, is the counteraction of goodness of God. Yeah,
Richard: there's always a participation in some way in evil. Yes. It can't be something
Cláudia: that exists just without our
Richard: feeding it somehow.
Cláudia: Exactly. It's an attitude of someone,
Richard: of some beings. This is such a point. If there is not
Cláudia: beings practicing evil, like having attitudes against goodness, there would not be evil in the world. But goodness, truth, and beauty are eternal.
Richard: This is fundamental. This is like, because we have the idea, I think somewhere in some of the religions or spiritual philosophies, that evil and good are necessary together as a balance in the universe.
Cláudia: And you're saying… No, that evil is just like opposing, in opposition to goodness and to God. So we need to go back to Jesus Christ and his teachings, not to the churches necessarily. We don't need churches to study what Jesus Christ taught and the truth that he brought and understanding it like this truth under these optics of science, which is so beautiful, so great.
So what Jesus came here to do was to open our eyes towards evil and to liberate us from this heavy burden. And he couldn't do that, not because he couldn't do, but humanity was not ready. We didn't
Richard: accept it, right?
Cláudia: No, we
Richard: didn't. And we don't accept it even today.
Cláudia: Yes. And we are on the peak of this rejection now in humanity.
Richard: We can't go much further. We're at the edge of it. We're going over the cliff.
Cláudia: Either we open our eyes. And see what is happening behind the scenes or we will see like the end of civilization. And
Richard: what's going on behind the scenes you're suggesting is a spiritual influence from evil spirits who are against goodness and human resonance or dissonance with those evil spirits in some
Cláudia: way.
I feel sad. Have I
Richard: simplified it?
Cláudia: No, I feel sad, but I need to say that there is no other philosophical, metaphysical, scientific, logical, realistic explanation for what is happening all over the planet.
Richard: I stayed in Brazil for this very reason. I realized very soon, I came here for six months, as you know, 16 years ago, and I remember speaking to you in your home saying, Cláudia, I see that the battle of the human being is directly with God.
And if that's true, then that seems to me the major consciousness on the planet, and I want to be part of the major battle that's going on in the world.
Cláudia: An incredible major battle against, like, evil against goodness, right? Against good. And we are in between those forces being deceived by the evil ones. The majority of humanity are like living dead at the present moment.
Good. I want you to
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We provoke serious imbalances in nature corrected
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Ooh, a lot, actually. And it contributes to global warming.
Well, that's kind of serious. And destroys the ecosystem. So what'd I get you to stop? Well, if they paid me the same money of stop-cutting trees that I get for cutting them. Well, that's an interesting way to look at it. If I don't cut the trees, someone else will. Inversion. It's killing us. A message from the STOP the Destruction of the World Association.
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Richard: The most relevant conversations in the world today are on the Stop Radio Network. We're back Thinking with Somebody Else's Head on the Stop Radio Network, Cláudia Bernhardt Pacheco, and we're talking about the battle. I was just saying when we were taking a little break that this is the battle.
I mean, if we're looking at getting to the source of the problem on the planet, this is where we have to go, at least in my understanding.
Cláudia: We can see this like in a microcosmos.
Richard: Microcosmic.
Cláudia: Micro and macro. Macro. Micro, macro. Because when we see a patient who is suffering sometimes physical illnesses, panic attacks, depression, suicidal attempts, and if we do not focus what they bring, like we should not face this spiritual battle inside of themselves, we cannot help them.
And if we do this, they get healed.
Richard: Yeah. So this is one of the things I wanted to talk about. You mentioned about panic attacks and schizophrenic attitudes and hearing voices. Is there always our participation in those things? Absolutely.
Cláudia: It's never just a physical, mental imbalance. There's always
Richard: a participation of our own choices,
Cláudia: inverted choices, our inversion. We see good as bad and bad as good.
So we go, we listen, we accept bad in our lives because we feel pleased by it. It's like a pleasure. A
Richard: negative pleasure, like an ugly
Cláudia: pleasure. We are impact, you know, we are impact. Like corruption. You think that corruption brings advantages? Brings pleasure, brings power, brings a lot of things. But you never think corruption as a source of entropy and destruction and illness and pain and suffering and, you know, putrefaction.
This is corruption. But we don't see this like this. So we are deceived all the time by demons, all the time. Now, in a macrocosmos, you know, Richard, generally literates, writers, and people
Richard: who
Cláudia: write books and write theater pieces, they, artists,
Richard: they
Cláudia: capture.
Richard: And not only Orwell brought this concept to us. Oh, Orwell. Oh, sorry. That's okay. I'm going,
Cláudia: is this the place in the Area 51?
Roswell, I was thinking. I mixed Roswell with Orwell. Yeah, George Orwell. Okay.
Richard: 1984. Remember what
Cláudia: he forecast. Yeah. What he foresaw.
Richard: He saw what we're
Cláudia: living. Living dead kind of people, like automatons. Yeah, automatons.
Richard: And those
Cláudia: movies from the 60s, speaking about vampires and Dracula and Count Dracula, what happens in that, in those movies? They show many important concepts that we are seduced by those powerful Draculas.
The Dracula is a powerful guy, like our powerful people, the people who rule the nations. They are like Draculas. Behind them, there is Lucifer and Satan, and people admire them, fear them, and admire them, obey them like we do with our powerful. Those Dracula, they seduce people, especially women, and I agree 100% with this. And women are deceived by Dracula, by this powerful man that they love.
They are seduced. But those powerful, they suck the blood of women. See how much consumption women support. We are consumers. And we are the responsible for the maintenance of those transnational corporations. And all these credit cards and all this, we are sucked. And we suck the blood of our husbands and our companions and everybody because then we seduce them too. And according to the movie, each one passes on this need to suck the blood, to suck the
life, the energy, the life
Cláudia: force of the people.
And you see them always being Christians. Like before they are sucked, they became, becoming vampires, they were Christians. So they were loving creatures, they were sharing love with each other and being respectful and being beautiful and alive. And then they, so this is what happens, Richard.
Richard: You're talking about this sucking, I think, also in a metaphorical sense, right? That this isn't, they're not actually biting our neck
Cláudia: and taking out our blood.
But there's this sense, I think, we have of the power structure on the planet, sucking all the life out of the planet, exploiting people. And they heard Dracula.
Richard: This is how Dracula, you're speaking about it in this sense. And we all know these Dracula people in our lives. We all know these people. So, geez, I just spent 15 minutes with that guy, and I can't even get out of my chair.
If
Cláudia: you go to a shopping center, you get, like, all sucked.
Richard: Oh, man, that's so true, Cláudia. I can't spend 10 minutes in a shopping center. When I came to Brazil, I was shocked because everybody was in shopping centers all the time. I never did that if I was in Canada. The last place I'd go is a shopping center.
Cláudia: But you didn't go to churches either.
No. That's true.
Richard: You couldn't bear being in a church. That's true.
Cláudia: I remember.
Richard: That's very true. So
Cláudia: this reaction is always, there are extremes, like being too religious or atheistic, are two extremes of demonic behavior.
Richard: If you are fanatic religious, you are demonic. If you are an atheist, you are demonic as well. Yeah. It's a rejection of this whole world. This is very true.
Cláudia: So what happens with those living dead creatures? They just vibrate during the night. So they go to those discos
and those pubs,
Richard: parties, and they do all their evil during the night. And during the
Cláudia: day they are like living dead. If they cannot stay sleeping, they are sleeping in their offices and they do not react to anything more, anything more.
Richard: This is one of the things you were saying on the weekend in our regular session with Dr.
Keppe, our new psychocinema with Dr. Keppe, which is very interesting. And you said that you've noticed in the people that come to your groups and come to the new classes that you're conducting, people are not reacting. No, not reacting. No,
Cláudia: they're like numb, numb. Numb. Yeah. Richard, we speak about those Dracula powerful people. I don't tell them they are Dracula, but we say, come on, don't you want to react?
Don't you want to have your own life, your
Richard: freedom? Don't you want to do something?
Cláudia: Do something for your own sake? I mean, doing your own companies and living life, doing something useful and stopping destroying the planet and preserving the good of your lives? Or do you prefer to dress up like everybody does when they go to those offices and they're like transnational corporations and the banking system?
Everybody dresses the same and they behave the same. They have the same protocols and they don't think. They don't react. They are like living dead. So they come and they stay and after two hours three hours they start like starting to wake
Richard: up wake
Cláudia: up a little bit and they get like they get a little bit of enthusiasm but later on they go back and they've all living dead creatures.
Well I had an experience of
Richard: this in the classroom and then I new young guy who's studying with me he's working for in the big bank inside the stock market area investments. He came to the class just dead. You could see the young guy not even 30 yet young guy. At the end of the class he says wow I woke up I woke up and took
him
Cláudia: you know wow because he
Richard: was like you know yawning and like right out of it totally out of it
Cláudia: and by the end of the class he was and they need more and more uh strong sensorial emotional experiences to vibrate.
So do you know what this leads to? Take drugs and more drugs and more and different kinds of drugs, stronger and stronger each time.
Richard: And also getting more of an adrenaline rush, driving faster, doing extreme sports, finding some way to get some life in you, right? A lot of sexual experiences.
Cláudia: And being perverts in sex and hurting people in sex and hurting children in sex.
You know, you see in the United States, people are all drugged, all drugged.
Richard: Pharmaceutical drugs and? Yeah. More serious things, of course.
Cláudia: So you see people are absolutely under the control of the powers of evil. We, the humanity, is under the control of the powers of evil. We see nations, menacing nations, of bombing them with nuclear weapons. We know what this would mean.
We see the Pacific Ocean being all intoxicated by those radiations of Fukushima. We see all these people in Africa, in Arab countries, now in Europe. All these religious fights and we pretend nothing is happening and even worse those lunatics these terrorist lunatics they speak under the name of God as if it was the true God but they are speaking about their God which is Lucifer you know a God that feed terrorism and these religious battles and wars.
Who is this God?
Richard: Yeah. Now, let's just talk for a second about this, because under control of evil, by our choice, I think that's really important. We're not victims.
Cláudia: Unknown choice. Unknown choice. Yeah, we're not so conscious. Unknown choice. This is the shame. Yeah, it's half known choice, we might say, because they're not that victimized people. A little bit. We are deceived, Richard.
We are deceived most of the time because of our inversion. We are creatures that by nature, by essence, we are under the law, natural law. And natural law is always towards life, always. Even a small cell, any mechanism of the body goes into this direction of life. They go towards life and not towards death. Yes, yes. So death is abnormal. Death is something created by us with our cooperation.
It was created by Lucifer, and now he has or it has our cooperation. And also that we are unconscious. So this inversion that we live, seeking pleasure instead of happiness, pay attention, seeking pleasure instead of happiness, and accomplishing a will that is not authentic. Our authentic will is not this will that we many times perform. Our true will is more in accordance to truth, goodness and beauty, natural one.
And this evil will that seeks for pleasure, intense pleasure, it's not our true pleasure. That's why we cannot be happy when we enjoy this pleasure. We can have enormous amounts of pleasure. Those killers, Richard, they have enormous amount of pleasure. When they kill someone, it's like a need to release something and to relief, a kind of urge they have to kill someone.
This is not natural. This is evil. Evil is present all over in many forms, formats, and forms, and attitudes. And the more we deny this consciousness, the worse for us.
Richard: Dr. Keppe is always saying that if we don't have consciousness of this, we are ruled by it.
Cláudia: Yes, we are ruled.
Richard: And this is what we're seeing in the planet today.
Cláudia: And sooner or later, we will pay the bill.
Richard: We are paying the
Cláudia: bill. Because then he's coming, the guy is coming, or the guys are coming, and they say, who's the boss here? Who's the
Richard: master? Who's the man? We are actually paying the price now because our world is very, very, very sick. And we don't feel good in this world.
Cláudia: If you want to see evil in front of you, watch some documentaries about serial killers or just simple killers.
They have this in the United States. We have a channel here. It's IC channel, investigative channel or investigation channel or something. And they show 24 hours.
Richard: All these kind of programs.
Cláudia: Yes, all kinds of evil. But not fantastic evil like fantasy. It's true, pure, real evil. Assassinations and all the kind of evils. And there are so many, so many. So you have evil in front of you.
If you see that little guy in North Korea, you see evil in that small Dracula, fat Dracula, you know. But you also see evil in other powerful people as well. Not only him. And you see evil in your house you see evil in your mother many times like the mothers are very much responsible for raising up serial killers behind a serial killer is always a mother that was psychopath.
So you see evil inside homes you see evil in pedophilia you see evil in many young girls being pregnant and killing their babies you see evil all around. You see evil, all those people being exploited and many forests and animals being extinguished. You see evil all around. Come on, open your eyes. This is not religion. This is reality. This is science.
Richard: Wow.
Vampires, murderers, war and terrorism, destruction of nature. Evil is everywhere, isn't it? Cláudia is right on there. Of course, in the midst of that reality, we have a psychosocial science that explains this, gives us the tools to be more conscious, which is something that is essential for us to wake up to, and the therapeutic, business, educational, medical, economic, and political means to resolve it, all contained in Norbert Tocchetti's expansive and unifying Science of Analytical Trilogy.
I'm Richard Lloyd Jones. That's Thinking with Somebody Else's Head for this time. Talk to you next time.
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Richard: thousands of organizations around the world doing important and excellent work to save the planet, but no one is doing what the STOP the Destruction of the World Association is
Cláudia: doing.
What we address is the fundamental cause of all these problems, which is the human being. And this is a subject of a science called Psychosocial Pathology.
Richard: Our work at STOP is based on the advanced psychosocial science emerging from the School of Analytical Trilogy, founded by Dr. Norberto Keppe. In essence, we have the world we have because of what is going on inside the human psyche.
Cláudia: I find the discovery that Dr. Keppe did about psychological inversion a major step forward that will help not only the psychological sciences, and social sciences, but all the other areas of human endeavor.
Richard: Modern technology and science have failed to bring us more wisdom. And we now pose a greater threat to life on Earth than ever before.
Cláudia: We are upside down. We see the world upside down in life.
And we built an upside-down society with upside-down laws, values, habits, systems, institutions.
Richard: The idea that we're achieving economic growth is pure illusion. Actually, we're becoming poorer and poorer. The cause of all this is our inverted philosophy of life.
Cláudia: When we want to put money much more valuable than feelings, friendships, arts, spirituality, When we value arrogant people in society instead of humble people, all of these inverted values cause a lot of anxiety, unhappiness, unsatisfaction because we cannot live against our essence.
Richard: Our work at STOP is to help humanity become conscious of these root causes of our destruction and take the necessary steps to heal them.
Cláudia: We are creating mechanisms, instruments of survival and development to live a happier life. And this is based on the trilogical science from Norberto Keppe. So this is our proposal.
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