Richard Lloyd Jones: I'm Richard Lloyd Jones, and this is Thinking with Somebody Else's Head. Broach the subject of corruption with most people, and there's an almost instant reaction. We understandably get apoplectic about the cases of corruption evident in corporations like BP or rogue traders like Nick Leeson. I remember some self-righteous media pundits lamenting the blow to professional baseball represented by Pete Rose betting on baseball.
We all get irate when facing these levels of unethical behavior, or even when a loved one betrays our trust. But this is when it would be timely to remember Shakespeare's counsel in moments of self-righteous indignation. Methinks you doth protest too much. It's well known in psychology that we can often tee off on behavior outside that we also partake in, and that could be a tough pill to swallow.
It takes all the honesty and virtue we can muster to see that external conduct is a mirror reflecting back our own sins. But it's exactly this that's required of us today. Because one thing we must admit, if the world has gone astray, chances are pretty good that we've contributed to that. A cure for corruption today on Thinking with Somebody Else's Head. Our Stop Radio Network is expanding now along with many episodes of Thinking with Somebody Else's Head.
We're also featuring new shows by Gilbert Gambucci, Analyzing the 1%. It's a look at the pathology of power. And boy, is that ever relevant in today's age. And Susan Berkley's program, The Conscious Company. We also have a lot of my favorite episodes of Healing Through Consciousness, the amazing call-in psychological show I did with Dr. Cláudia Bernhardt Pacheco a few years ago. Those shows really do something special.
They inject a healthy dose of sanity, I think, into the psychological call-in show genre. And, you know, I would love to do some more of those kinds of shows. So if you've got particular issues or problems that you would like us to address in our programs here with Cláudia Bernhardt Pacheco, that would be wonderful. We can do that a couple of ways.
We can still take calls through Skype. I just have to set it up and get the timing organized between your schedule, my schedule, and Cláudia's schedule, which might be a bigger challenge than we think. But we can also do this through email. You send us the particular problem or issue that you're dealing with with a few details. And we can even treat that anonymously in our programs.
It would be wonderful to hear from you if you're interested in that, any kind of help. Remember that anything you deal with here on the show, any problems that you have, are going to help a lot of other people who have similar difficulties to deal with. Norberto Keppe's science applied to psychoanalysis is often mind-blowing because it helps people have insights about long-standing issues or problems that no other psychological method permits.
Consider it like dedicating our pathology to science, if you want to participate in that way.
Well, I was watching a TED Talks debate on the pros and cons of nuclear energy the other day, and once again marveling at the naivety of the pro-nuclear energy side. In this debate, argued by Stuart Brand, the creator of the Whole Earth Catalog.
His surprising-to-some endorsement of nuclear energy revolved around the assertion that it's safe technology. Those who know the most about it are worried the least, is how he put it. He then went on to put forward the standard argument of the pro-nuke lobby that it's cleaner and less polluting than the alternatives of coal and other carbon-producing energy sources. And this clincher, of course, that it's safe, well, that those who know the most about it are the least afraid.
Yeah, because they're psychotic. This is psychotic thinking. First, if our best option for sustainability is splitting an atom to produce energy that leaves a residue that's mortally toxic for thousands of years, if that's our option, I'd say we have a serious problem beyond the debate over coal or nuclear. Both of them suck, actually. And it's ridiculous, really, to enter into a debate of the positives and negatives of each and hope to end up with a, well, this is the best of a bad bunch option.
Man, as far as nuclear energy goes, this process leaves toxic waste. And sooner or later, somewhere, somehow, sometime, that gets out. And when it does, the result is not soft, supple, creamy, smooth skin, let me tell you. This discussion on nuclear energy needs to be conducted now in light of the devastation of Fukushima. Love to hear what the nuclear reactors are perfectly safe crowd says to that.
Although, of course, we both know they have some justification about this was an exception and this could never happen here, that kind of thing. A nuclear reactor is a toxic bomb that could explode at any time because of catastrophes or sabotage or corporate cost-cutting on safety measures or just plain old human error. What are we doing messing with these things? Fukushima should be scaring the bejesus out of us.
I don't know if you've been following this lately, but the nuclear fuel rods in Reactor 4 at Fukushima, 2,000 to 3,000 of them are sitting inside a pool of water. And that pool of water is the only thing that's preventing them from melting down completely. But now Reactor 4 is kind of leaning and in danger of complete collapse. If that happens, which possibly even a small earthquake could cause it to do, and the reactors or the fuel rods become exposed to the air, look out, particularly in the Northern Hemisphere.
These fuel rods are shockingly in open air with only water to cover them. That's a lot of nuclear reactors sitting up there. If that water drains away, that's a radiological fire. They're talking 85 times more cesium-137 than Chernobyl. And my country, in the face of all this, in all of its infinite wisdom, my country, Canada, has turned off the radiation sensors throughout its nuclear monitoring network.
They refused to radiation test milk, one of the first places where you can notice spikes in radiation levels. And recently, Japanese ambassador, former Japanese ambassador to Switzerland, Mitsushie Murata, writing to the UN Secretary General, said, it's no exaggeration to say that the fate of Japan and the whole world depends on reactor number four. So this is a phenomenal thing to consider, and maybe we could introduce Keppe's disinversion of physics here.
This would be very useful for the pro- and anti-nuclear arguers to understand today. Keppe's disinversion of physics is a phenomenal thing. What he says is that energy rightly doesn't come from matter. See, this is the essence of the problem, right? We're trying to extract energy from all this material, coal or gas or even water, even solar power, and now splitting the atom.
So the problem exists here. Energy, as Keppe defines it, has not been properly understood. And I would hardly recommend some deep reading of Keppe's new physics to start to grasp the significance for our technological philosophy on planet Earth of Keppe's discoveries.
I've also posted some excerpts on my Scribd account at pt.scribd.com slash richjonesvoice. You'll find some interesting excerpts there that will give you just a taste of his work, and then you can go deeper if that's what you like to do.
Because, you know, if we are in fact a planet driven by psychotics, which it appears we are, especially when you enter into these arguments defending current industrial political policy. And if we follow that blindly, then this needs to be called for what it is, collective psychosis. Let's try to find a cure for this today. Dr. Cláudia Bernhardt Pacheco and curing corruption when Thinking with Somebody Else's Head continues in just a moment on the Stop Radio Network.
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Richard: Our program on the Stop Radio Network, our flagship program really, our main program here, is Thinking with Somebody Else's Head.
A program name that developed as I was first in Brazil talking with Cesar Soós, my dear friend. And we were talking about how human beings have philosophies of life, ways of looking at the world that they never really question. And this is an idea that I've had for some time. Because in my quest, my search for consciousness, for understanding how things work, I realized that I had views about the world. And many people had views about the world that came from their culture or their family or their institutions or their just their general ways of thinking that they never questioned.
And Cesar was telling me how we as human beings, many of these ideas that we have, these philosophies of life, they come from other philosophers or other thinkers. And so really we're Thinking with Somebody Else's Head without perceiving it. And this, of course, is very much the subject of what we do. Cláudia Bernhardt Pacheco has joined me again today to try
Cláudia Bernhardt Pacheco: to penetrate.
And
Richard: maybe one day we will be able to think with some of God's ideas. And
Cláudia: that's what we do, in fact. That's what we do. Even the geniuses, they think with God's head. And this is wonderful, isn't it? Yes, beautiful. What an infinite
Richard: mind, my God. Our problem is that we distort the thinking that we receive from God, right? We receive something true and then we say, well, I don't know about that.
That's kind of a, and we adjust or adapt or, and this is the big problem in our world. Well, we've been talking the last couple of times about leadership and something that's been fascinating to me, Cláudia. I wanted to just fill you in on how, what kind of an impact this is having our discussions in the classes that I do and the students that I work with.
We were talking about universals. I was talking about this with a student just yesterday, a French student. They're always interesting to talk with French people because they have this social view very well developed.
Cláudia: They are very much socially oriented.
Richard: Yeah. On
Cláudia: the contrary of the Germans that are more inner oriented. They have a more introspective mentality, the Germans or the German language.
Right. But the French, they are very much social-oriented.
Richard: Yeah, they see the problem as being a problem.
Cláudia: They study society much
Richard: more than the other peoples do generally. So we were talking about this idea that you put forward in our last program about how good leaders try to keep the group in harmony with these elevated principles of goodness, truth, and beauty. And um and he was saying well yeah okay I sort of understand that.
But but what about the cultural differences? He was saying that that some people like for example that we were talking last week about this guy on the beach selling pirated DVDs and making money. And you were you were bringing a very Christian aspect to this, saying that but this guy's trying to make a living in a system. And it's totally corrupted, full of laws that are corrupted.
And how can this be something that's bad? And my student was saying that here in Brazil, people use this corruption in business as a way to do business. Like to pay the guy who's doing the fiscalization, as you call it, the sort of the overview, the oversight into the way business is done. And they'll pay this guy a little bit of extra money, and then he just goes away.
And he was using this as an example of how you can't run business like that. So he was saying, well, what about this kind of thing? There are universal values, sure, but in practice, it's not like that. And I really wanted to bring this up with you because, of course, I see that what he's talking about is a very, it's like a spurious argument, you know, because it's not exactly this way.
We have a system that is corrupted. And so inside this corrupted system, there are people who do sort of corrupt actions that we could, and we can't focus on that. We have to focus on this bigger picture that we're very far away from the truth of who we are.
Cláudia: But if the powerful, if the directors, they are corrupt and they create the corruptions in law, the laws are corrupt.
So everything that depends on them or on that system and this culture is corrupted. But there is a big mistake going on in here, Richard, which is generally people tend to think, and especially Brazilians, they tend to think that Brazil is more corrupt than other countries. And that's what I have been listening, and I'm very upset because, not because I agree with corruption, no, but here in Brazil, they do a kind of corruption which is smaller and more like at open.
Kind of primitive in a way, isn't it? Primitive,
Richard: yes. And in the first world countries where they really create the big corruptions that lead the other countries, the so-called underdeveloped countries, developing or underdeveloped countries depend on.
Cláudia: So this is what creates the big trouble, because you see, in the United States, in Europe, there's large countries, they dictate the rules of the world.
And what have we seen so far? We have seen rules being dictated to protect pharmaceutical industries, medical industry, arm, military industry, arms, oil, which is very much polluting the planet. We see agrotoxics, like agrotoxics, killing
Richard: people, killing
Cláudia: the infrastructure,
Richard: the
Cláudia: environment, the birds, the insects. The technology is totally upside down, creating diseases, electronics, computers. This is against human health. So these people are creating the biggest troubles of all.
They take care or they control the agro-industry and they put transgenics in this. So they pay these corrupt politicians in Brazil, in Africa, so they can use our sources and resources and land to perform their crimes. This is criminal, because these people that plant, that lead or they organize these plantations with so much toxics and poison, and they poison thousands and millions of people, and the vaccines and all this, this is more than immoral.
Richard: And this comes from the first world, the developed world, totally.
Cláudia: Yeah, those who project onto us, they're corruption, because they are very much corrupt. And like a person or a country that denies the existence of God, of a creator, they are absolutely corrupt. They are the totally schizophrenic, theomaniac people that are envious even from God. And they create at the side of the natural laws and universal laws, they create their own kingdom and laws that they want to perform to attack humanity, to destroy humanity, to use, to enslave humanity.
So this
Richard: is the true corruption. And this is a corruption that goes much deeper than how we normally think of corruption. We think of corruption as this little thing of a guy taking $50.
Cláudia: And what about drugs? They don't legalize drugs for what purpose? Because they want to continue doing the trafficking. And the traffickers are high-level, powerful people.
Richard: As you explored in your book in the 1990s, the American Drug Multinational, you explored very closely this.
Cláudia: So that's why they don't legalize drugs, because otherwise it would come to the surface, it would be legalized, states would take care of the taxes and everything, so it would... Come
Richard: out of being secret. It would not be secret anymore. I want to use one example to illustrate what you're talking about, because I know when I have conversations with my friends in Canada, too, they don't see this corruption that you're talking about, Cláudia, because they think of corruption as somebody taking $100 to...
Cláudia: They are corrupting their minds. They are corrupting their eyes, their vision, their consciousness. They are corrupting knowledge. This is the first biggest form of corruption. Corruption of knowledge, corruption of ethics. Because if they see so many people dying... ...of hunger and starvation, thirst, and many other ways of dying. These people, they don't know how to take care of themselves. And they do nothing, and they help them to be killed.
This is corruption.
Richard: This enormous vaccination campaign that's going around the world, especially in Africa now, is a real corruption of health. You know, there's a film that was done fairly recently called Contagion, a big budget film with Matt Damon and I'm trying to remember the director's name now. I can't remember, but a big cast in this, Gwyneth Paltrow, huge, well-known actors. And this movie was showing the spread of a virus through things like a mother's hugs and these kinds of contact that people would have.
Showing this kind of very spurious examples of the spreading of a disease and the necessity for a vaccine in order to fight against this.
And I was thinking about this came shortly after the swine flu fiasco that happened around the world. It wasn't there was no kind of epidemic at all, even though the World Health Organization was trying to present it as such. Here they are doing creating this movie, Cláudia, directly to sell the efficiency of vaccines again. It was a selling. It was a movie to sell vaccines to the American public, not just the American public, the world public.
This is a big corruption, enormously
Cláudia: corrupt. And it involves movie directors, movie actors, producers. It involves everybody. And the money invested and the investors. A thing, Richard, that is presently one of the biggest corruptions of all is Wall Street, is making money from money, is this, the interests and the banking system, this is more than immoral. And this is performed mostly by the first world countries.
And they can't blame anymore the third world debts for this, as they used to do. So, we now are speaking about real, real demons, the real, real devils who are behind all of this. Yeah,
Richard: this corruption is so interesting. Dr. Kippe first began to explore this, I guess, in his book Liberation Through Knowledge, where he began to explore the corruption of knowledge that you talked about, how we have closed our eyes to the truth.
And this is the point I think I was trying to make with my student, that these principles, goodness, truth and beauty, that's something universal. It's not a cultural thing. It's a universal value that everybody has inside them. And when we don't give value to that, when we allow our societies, and I'm speaking as a first world so-called person. And we are directly responsible for the world that we've created, for the mess that we see in the world today, because that has come primarily from the developed countries, hasn't it?
Of course, of course. So we are responsible for this world in an enormously serious way that we never really think about or understand.
Cláudia: Now, people think, what is a solution? What can be done? Yeah. And this is the big question mark situation. And the other day I was reading my book, The Secret History of Brazil.
Richard: Ah, this is beautiful. Cláudia, before you do that, let me take a quick break because you're going to launch into a very important idea.
So we are on the Stop Radio Network. The program is Thinking with Somebody Else's Head, looking at corruption and now solutions to corruption. This is a wonderful topic. So we're coming back in just a moment to consider that. Don't go far away. Thank you for
listening to the most relevant conversations in the world about stopping the destruction of ourselves and the planet.
Richard:
Thinking with Somebody Else's Head on our Stop Radio Network. We are streaming through iTunes. We have a couple of places you can find us on websites too at heaving through consciousness.com and our Stop Radio website stop radio.org and coming in many many different ways. I was saying to Cláudia just before we began our show that when Dr. Keppe's work becomes mainstream, then there's going to be an enormous search for where we can find out more information about him.
And I just want you to know, you who are listening, you leading edge people, that this is available now and really needs to be spread out to more people. So please feel free to do that. That would be wonderful for you to do that. Cláudia wrote a book, not that many, not that long ago.
Cláudia: I have been researching on the subject for a long time.
The book I wrote was in more or less, well, it's around 2000.
Richard: Okay, so 12 years. So
Cláudia: it's like the inauguration of this third millennium. And so it has been, we are now in the fourth edition of the book, and I'm adding some.
Richard: Good. And the book called The Secret History of Brazil. It's only in Portuguese at this stage, but I can assure
Cláudia: you.
Millennium and the Universal Man is the subtitle
Richard: of the book. Right. And the Millennium is the name of our language school. And we have a big link
Cláudia: with this esoteric knowledge that you bring through this book. So give us a bit of a sense of why you want to bring that up here now. Because in dealing with universals, we see that this ideal society, you can call it utopia, you can call it third millennium, you can call it the golden age, you can call it...
Age of Aquarius. Age of
Richard: Aquarius. The fifth
Cláudia: empire. Fifth empire by some. It's an universal concept. And some people, like, felt and are feeling some enormous changes are about to happen. Some people call it apocalypse. And some groups are afraid that God might punish humanity in this planet and bring an enormous catastrophe and the elimination of three-fourths of humanity.
Richard: The rapture, is this the...
Cláudia: Some think, well... And some don't. They see that there will be a transformation. There will be an entrance in another level of consciousness and another energetic dimension of consciousness. So there are many, many theories. But there are some points that are common to all of those theories. And this is like an idea that one day we will have a better place to live, a kind of a going back to the previous paradise or recovering what we lost thousands and thousands of years ago.
So everybody has this concept of a fair, beautiful, developed world, peaceful, where all the peoples would come together and have a decent human society to live. So some say there will be Muslims all over the world. Some say there will be Catholics. Some say there will be Christians. Some say there will be Chinese
Richard: or Russian, Hindu.
Cláudia: Some say there will be Jews, the Jewish kingdom.
But we can say that God is infinite in his love, the way he deals with his children, and he sees all human beings as his children. And so the way God sees things, there are no sectors or sectarian attitudes in here. Yeah,
Richard: this is the universal aspect you were talking about, yes.
Cláudia: And what he meant when he sent his prophets and his messengers and his son is that if you do good, if you are good, if you accept good beauty and truth, if you live a life in accordance to the essence he gave us, so all peoples would come together in peace. And he will be the only God for all.
So all these fights this is my church My ideas has nothing to do with God. His kingdom is a universal kingdom. And this is how we understand. But this doesn't include, for sure, man and spirits and angels that are against goodness, beauty, and truth. One cannot understand a kingdom that is a mixture of good and evil. This would be something that we are living now but not hardly
Richard: a kingdom,
Cláudia: right?
Hardly a kingdom because the kingdom of these demons and devils and criminals and psychopaths and these negative human beings is a is a kingdom of destruction, of distortion, denial of all these good qualities of the true kingdom. So we speak about now a true society. We would say so a little bit of a dishonesty or some dishonesty and some honesty, some aggression and some tolerance, some racial problems and some harmony.
No, it's... Mostly harmony, but a little bit of... Yeah, yeah, yeah. So what would be of the planet if we would not have this kind of dialectics of good and evil, shadow and light? So this is a mistake because evil, disease, sickness, aggression, criminality, all problems, all pathologies, they don't exist by themselves. They are the denial, the distortion, the absence of what is really truthful, what is really true, what is really real.
Therefore, we work in this direction. We work in this direction of accepting everything from all cultures, all religions that are in accordance to that. And this is possible, Richard, you know. This is very possible.
Richard: I believe this too.
Cláudia: If people conscientize what is denial, what is pathology, so they can correct themselves, each one of us, we can reach that plateau or this level of development.
Richard: In beauty, goodness, and truth, we are all welcome, right? And we're all, I mean, this is, what you say is so obvious. I mean, really, it's amazing that we don't see this today because it's so clear.
Cláudia: Because we are inverted, we are, as Keppe says, unconscious of our pathology, our envy, our theomania, our greediness, our pathologies. So we are unconscious of this.
And he created a method where people can do this through analysis, for individual analysis, through reading, through watching our programs. So there are means. He created a scientific method for us to know better ourselves and to understand and to become conscious of what is unconscious in us, the pathologies and the sanity, which is still unconscious
Richard: in us. Yeah, because if the sanity is the basis of everything, then all of the craziness we see is just the destruction of that sanity, right?
It's somehow the denial of it in some way.
Cláudia: So Malachi Martin, this well-known exorcist, Jesuit writer, academic, he studied a lot about ancient scriptures and about theology and philosophy. He was, in his last, the latter years and interviews, he used to say all of us can sense that there is something coming, a big change. And as it is alien to everybody we don't know what is going to happen exactly.
People sometimes get afraid so they created this idea of 2012. And I was reading my book the other day and I was like okay so I wrote about something important that I forgot, that the Gregorian calendar is behind the true calendar seven years. And when they noticed this they realized this a long time ago they decided not to change because this would create such a mess in history.
The
Richard: Gregorian calendar is the one we use now, yeah, but it's
Cláudia: it's it's seven years away from the true calendar. Yeah it's behind. So
Richard: we're not in 2012 at all. No we're what
Cláudia: 2019 yes. So the true 2012 was
Richard: in 2005.
Cláudia: But that doesn't mean
Richard: I'm seven years older than I am, okay? No
Cláudia: but that's it is that you you if you are in in the right calendar then you would have your age in 2019.
Yeah well you know so now I wonder this calculation of 2012 did it take into consideration the mistake of Gregorian Gregorian calendar?
Richard: Cláudia I love talking with you that's fantastic. It's like we're thinking with the the Gregorian calendar head. Yeah which
Cláudia: is seven years out of date. Yes and it's totally uh
Richard: not in in In resonance with the truth.
Cláudia: My calendar. So they decided 2012 would be the year for them to do something.
The powerful decided that. So they started to use this date as something for their purposes. I don't know exactly what they want to do in 2012, what they had in mind. But we still are like feeling that some big change is taking place independently from what these powerful people can say, state or not. We feel that. We can feel that. So this feeling that there is a big change going on, Richard, is still unconscious for many.
As you said, there is this official consciousness of the world, which is mostly the media and the mainstream representatives. But this doesn't mean that in the unconscious of everybody, and even in the conscious level of everybody, something is happening, a change is taking place. And many don't understand what it is, where does this come from, but the resonance and the resonant effect in an energetic level is absolutely scientific.
So you see people thinking in a similar vibration and with similar concepts all over the world. People from the Indians and then the Chinese and then the Russians and then the people in the United States, in Canada, in Brazil, all over, all over. People now are starting to realize that the status quo cannot continue. Yeah. As it is. Yeah. The status quo doesn't feed our necessities.
So something must change. Something must change.
Richard: You said just at the end of the program last time, if we don't replace egoism, selfishness with altruism, greed with generosity, competition with cooperation, we will never be happy or healthy or have a developed world.
Cláudia: Yeah. So what are we doing? Or what are we doing? Besides our scientific work, besides our work of psychoanalysts and scientists and writers and researchers and giving courses and having our postgraduate courses and short courses and cultural psychotherapeutic TV programs and radio programs, we have a project.
And this project is Kambukita Project. Kambukida is the name of this small village in the mountains where we made like our real campus, university campus.
Richard: It's our application of Dr. Keppe's theories.
Cláudia: Where we apply Dr. Keppe's discoveries and theories in the socioeconomic level. So we are dealing with a very poor, forgotten, but immersed in a natural environment village where we can be of help for those people and bringing the most advanced science in the world for them.
And people say, but how can we construct this village as an embryo for a future better society? One of the things that I tell them is that constructing the world of the future is mostly going back to the past and recovering all the good things that were left behind. Starting from medicine, using natural herbs, natural treatments, natural resources as one of the main means to recover.
Health and not only that but recovering a more natural way of being more humane more Affectionate. Giving more importance to feelings and cooperation and brotherhood and work and good work and ethics. So recovering the good values is something
Richard: very important. Even constructions. You see that now the permaculture movement, they use things that were used like thousands of years ago and were considered backwarded kind of things.
It's so funny, isn't it?
Cláudia: Yeah. So we go to Indian cultures and we go to the very, very ancient civilizations to recover. The primitive, yeah. The primitive, the so-called primitive civilizations, to
Richard: learn with them. Like, we lost the technique of these
Cláudia: Templars of building huge cathedrals with just stones. And they don't know anymore how to do that. So we have so many ways to recover what is like we have around the areas a lot of stones like stones.
So
Richard: people in
Cláudia: the past they construct homes of these beautiful rock and incredible and they are like very much they serve to be like an equilibrium for the external heat or cold.
Richard: Right. Never gets too hot, never gets too
Cláudia: cold.
Richard: Insulated. It's a natural insulation.
Cláudia: Yes. And they are there for centuries. They are so much sustainable kind of... But, you know, to have profits, you cannot build and do sustainable things.
Otherwise, they will last. And you will have no profits any longer. So you need to do homes that are like they burn, like just wood, they burn.
Richard: They rot or they something.
Cláudia: So you can have more profits and profits and profits and money and money. And what are we going to do with so much money, trillions of dollars and all these currencies that are worth nothing for our life?
Let
Richard: me just tell you listening that our projects here are really beautiful and you can find out more about them on our sites and by just writing to me if you want more
Cláudia: information. Better to write because we don't have that much thing already in our sites and
Richard: we
Cláudia: we are yeah and we are idealizing a way so people can come and spend the time. And having like a scholarship for our university our free university and having a place to stay and food and accommodation. And they they learn our science and they do like labor work even we need people to build a city.
And my
Any further information you like is available there. Keppe's work on top of outlining the problems of the human being in society, how we got into this mess, also gives us very practical solutions to get us out. It's compelling stuff. So we don't anymore just point our fingers out at the problem, but keep one eye turned inward to focus on our participation, consciously or unconsciously, in the elaboration of our sick society and what we can do in practice to rescue it.
Thinking with Somebody Else's Head is proud to stream on the Stop Radio Network. I'm Richard Lloyd Jones.
