And welcome to you. I'm very happy to be with you on the Positive World Radio Network once again with our therapeutic show about the science of Analytical Trilogy. I don't know if it's entered your head at all, but it is an interesting story about the title of our show.
Contrary to what some have thought, Thinking with Somebody Else's Head is not about getting you to think with another person's head, in this case, Norberto Keppe's. We are not looking to have converters to our cause or followers of our dogma or doctrines or anything like that. Nope, ours is a show of consciousness, developed to get you thinking about yourself and the world you live in.
Thinking with Somebody Else's Head, then, is meant to signify that we and our worldview view are the products of thinking and philosophies and ways of seeing the world that come to us from other heads. Even without studying them, we've been influenced by the great thinkers in history who had a huge impact on how we see things. We sometimes, I think, have a very naive view of how it works.
We have this idea that there's these ivory tower academics poring over scholarly manuals in dim light, elaborating theories that get discussed at boring-as-a-neighbor's holiday slide shows, conferences, attended by seven or eight similarly dry academics and then forgotten. It is not like that. Some of these theories get picked up in the main or partially by academic think tanks or eager academics testing the waters of politics in jobs for this secretary or that, and the theories take root.
American pragmatism, for example, comes from philosopher William James, who asserted that what was right was what works, a limited philosophy that owes much to medieval philosopher William of Ockham and French philosopher Auguste Comte. Now, how in the world does that all come together? Well, William of Ockham, along with John Donne Scott, advanced the idea that the essence of man was freedom, giving the idea that we are free to express and do as we wish, that that is the essence of who we are in fact.
And Comte muddied the waters further with his consideration of the three levels of abstraction, theology or morals being the lowest or most primitive, and science or action being the highest or most evolved, leading to what? To a way of being that gives the emphasis on doing, not agonizing over the morality or ethics of the thing. Good heavens, that would be too boring.
And this results in corporate officials who state that producing their toxic products is not their problem but the government's problem. That government regulation is what should stop them from doing something destructive, as if they are perfectly justified in doing something destructive until they're told to stop. All of this is a product of philosophy and theology. And before you stop me with, well, hang on there a second, Richard, this is just a reflection of greed, that dollars and profit have been given too high a profile in our society, that that's the problem.
Let me assure you that the philosophical roots of greed were planted deep eight or nine hundred years ago by this assertion that freedom is the essence of life. Underlying this is the idea that all will wind up good in the end, no matter how badly it starts out, the basic idea behind Adam Smith's invisible hand as well. It is exactly at this fundamental level that Norberto Keppe's Analytical Trilogy works, correcting the fundamental inversions in human thought and action that have led to our precarious situation on earth today, to say the least.
The essence of man, Keppe states, is not freedom, but goodness. We are free only to do what is good, beautiful, and true, which changes how we see industries, for example, that create destruction and toxicity, usually without thinking too much about it. Interesting, isn't it? How much we're driven by our philosophy of life without questioning it. And all this is what we approach every week here on Thinking with Somebody Else's Head.
We have a very fascinating discussion with Dr. Cláudia Bernhardt Pacheco to get to in a few moments. I don't want you to miss this. She looks at the role inverted psychology has played in leading us so far off track, as well as how we need to become a lot more aware of our energetic pollution if we're going to stop our destruction of the world.
But first, I want to go to our sociopathology beat. Will Lajeunesse has been following the story of chemtrails, or what they call scars in the sky, one of the terms I've heard referred to this. And if you don't know what chemtrails are, we're going to find out in a minute. But it all relates to this field of geoengineering. Right away, that's a scary word.
The modern concept of geoengineering or climate engineering is usually taken to mean proposals to deliberately manipulate the Earth's climate to counteract the effects of global warming from greenhouse gas emissions. Will, what's the first thing you notice about that
statement? Well, the first thing that I noticed is the greenhouse gas statement. And to monitor, it's like they're saying, it's for our own good.
It's for the betterment of the people. And experience shows that this is not always the case.
Richard: You know, what's also interesting about that, Will, is who caused the greenhouse gas emissions?
Yes, exactly. Who caused the greenhouse gas emissions in the first place? Exactly.
Richard: And so now we're going to geoengineer to counteract the effects of something we did at the beginning.
Yes, exactly.
We're going to put a band-aid, so to speak, on what we've created using absurd technologies to do it.
Richard: Yeah. It's exactly what happens when you go to the doctor. You say to the doctor, I've got a headache, so it gives you a pill. That pill for the headache creates two or three side effects, like an upset stomach, maybe skin breakouts, maybe some sort of allergic symptoms.
So then you need three or four other pills to care for those side effects. And then it's just an ongoing process, which is why maybe one of the largest causes of death today is iatrogenic disease caused by medication and doctor care. But that takes us away from what we're talking about. What is or what are chemtrails? What's going on here? Explain it for us, please.
Chem trails are often confused with contrails, which is condensation left behind by passenger airplanes, government, military, commercial airlines. It's an interaction with the water vapor in the atmosphere, the temperature change from the jet engine, this and that. And this is not what we're talking about here today. What we're talking about chemtrails, when people say chemtrails, they mean is detectable levels of chemicals, whether it's barium, strontium, titanium, heavy metals, being discharged from the back or the wings of large or small airliners.
And the difference visibly between a con trail and a chem trail is a con trail will dissipate rather quickly, especially in warmer climates in the southern U.S. Uh, the only time a con trail doesn't dissipate quickly is when maybe it cold in the arctic, over Canada, stuff like that. A chem trail the looks very similar at first, but it it stays for much longer, and it's it spreads out in the atmosphere into a fine haze, into a mist, a dust, and then it falls upon the earth very very slowly.
Okay,
Richard: so they're putting toxic substances inside and and spreading them out through these chem trails. And what's what's the purpose? What are they saying this is for?
Well, there's there's no necessarily official statement yet from any one government about what it is. There's a lot of speculation among the scientific community that it's climate change research, and one example is trying to use the aluminum to reflect some of the heat and the sunlight back up into space, away from the planet.
Sometimes there's the explanation given by the media that it's military using it for radar testing. Uh, trying to you know increase our security in North America. So these are the two biggest explanations. Yeah, and
Richard: they're talking about the fact that it's not supposed to be used for military purposes. Uh, but it can be if the military purposes are not um aggressive. So, depending on whose point of view, right?
Correct, correct. Now, I just want to let people know there was a study in Phoenix in 2008, air quality study, there where they found all kinds of harmful toxins, all of which are attributable to geoengineering. So, for example, barium, 278 times the toxic limit. Manganese, 5,820 times the toxic limit. Let's see if we can find the ones we know. Aluminum, 6400 times the toxic limit.
Iron, 2800 times the toxic limit. 8,000 times the toxic limit. So we're talking here about enormous amounts of toxic chemicals that they're throwing into the atmosphere with the idea of doing we're not sure yet what and telling us that there's no consequences of this. This can't be healthy for the human being, can it?
Absolutely not. And aluminum in particular is very, very, very toxic in a mist form.
In that fine particulate form, it's extremely, extremely toxic to all organisms. And in humans in particular, it bonds into our brains and it can cause Alzheimer's. This has been known for many, many years. It affects the the nervous system directly, and it and it's it's cumulative, it builds up over time. So the more that we are exposed to this, uh, the the more toxic and the more dangerous it becomes.
And we're seeing right now in the U.S. uh a huge huge spike in cases of Alzheimer's disease. Hey
Richard: yeah, it's a aluminum is a clear neurotoxin. I mean this is very clear. It's been linked even with things like autism in kids. So, you know, what's interesting, Will, is this idea of creating these little aluminum mirrors to reflect back the sun as a way to calm down the warming of the planet.
This seems to me a particularly ludicrous idea.
It's just completely absurd. I mean, what we need to do, first of all, is look at the climate change science properly and globally and allow everyone, all the scientists of all different backgrounds to come together and form a consensus about this, but this is not happening. So we're not even sure what's going on.
Richard: But I think what we are sure about is that human activity is causing an enormous problem on the planet.
So we need to move to this trilogical idea of stopping the destruction, not sort of trying to patch it up, as you said, with a Band-Aid, trying to patch up an effect, but trying to deal with it at the cause, the source of these things. This is essential for us today, isn't it? Absolutely. So here, our STOP the Destruction of the World Association down here in Brazil has been working since 1992 with this goal, Will.
We need to stop a little bit. If we could just take a break from destruction, our destructive technologies, we would be able to take a break, a breather, and reorganize things to make them better. But we don't stop. We have this pressure to keep going, and here's where maybe the Keppe motor can come in. Tell us what you know about that technology.
Well
the the Keppe motor is is a fabulous new technology. Uh, and it it actually it doesn't require the destruction of material goods like coal or gas or uh to produce electricity. It captures this essential scalar energy that is surrounding us, that our bodies are all of life on the planet uses to live. It captures this free abundant scalar energy and redirects it into the form of usable mechanical and electrical energy.
So it basically it's a very cheap and very very clean and a very very independent form of electricity that all of humanity will be able to use instead of tearing down our forests and digging for coal and using oil and all these this this inverted deriving energy from matter that we insist on following this inverted science. Yeah, I think
Richard: this is really important to say.
It's not just another technology, it's a technology that changes the technological philosophy of the planet. Instead of taking energy from material, destroying material to get energy, we are now able to capture as the human being does, as you so well put, we're able to capture this free energy from space because of the question of resonance, the motor entering into resonance with this essential energy field and then capturing free energy, clean, free energy at enormous quantities.
The interesting thing about the Keppe motor is it works on all different scales, so we can have smaller ones, perhaps even for devices as small as cell phones, maybe at some point, or we can run homes, businesses, you know, the possibilities are endless. It's a very new technology, so there's many things that haven't been discovered about the Keppe motor yet that humanity may be able to use for good.
Thanks, Will.
Richard: If people want to go to another place to do more research on geoengineering and chemtrails, what's a good place to send
them? With the chemtrails, one of the best documentaries I've ever seen is available free on YouTube, and it's called, What in the World Are They Spraying? You can Google that. Google chemtrails. There's an abundance amount of information out there.
Thanks
Richard: a lot, Will.
Back in just a moment. We're back on Thinking with Somebody Else's Head on the Positive World Radio Network. Richard Lloyd Jones with you. And Dr. Cláudia Bernhardt Pacheco has just joined me for, I have no idea what we're going to talk about fully Cláudia, but I
Cláudia Bernhardt Pacheco: never do, I never do when I start with you.
It always but
Richard: it goes somewhere beautiful. Oh
Cláudia: yes, um,
you
Richard: know there's kind of like two minds in the world. There are the people who who just think the world's going to continue as it is, you know, they keep their head in the sand.
Cláudia: I think these have happened before and
Richard: it's it's a cycle. Yeah, there are others who see conspiracies around every corner, and I would like to try and walk the line between the two if we could today and try and scientifically look at what's happening in the world.
Keppe says in his incredible book that I turn to again and again.
Cláudia: Don't forget about the religious ones that think this is the apocalypse time, apocalyptic time. Yeah,
Richard: so there's
Cláudia: this third group also.
Richard: It's the rapture, right, that's going to
Cláudia: lift the believers. And there are those who study extraterrestrial contacts and claim that there is something going on also involving extraterrestrial beings.
Richard: There's so many things happening. So I was just turning to Dr. Keppe's book, Glorification, today for a little bit of inspiration, as I often do, and he said that there, in this book, there are two kinds of knowledge, one related to fantasy that seems to be unlimited, and another related to truth that functions more as recognition. It's easy to see there's a very great difference between the knowledge that's derived from fantasy and that which is subordinate to truth.
And so, as always in our program, let's try and bring some truth to the situation. Cláudia, you follow this relatively closely, I think, closer than I do, about what's happening in the world and what's going on and how it relates to us and what we can do about it, because, you know, we don't just want to scare people, we want to bring consciousness.
Cláudia: So, as you know, Richard, I founded the association STOP the Destruction of the World. This was back to the early 90s, 91, 92, when I was working in France and Portugal and England, but mostly living in France and Portugal. So in one of our trips to Portugal, I was very worried about the decay, not only of the socioeconomic situation, cultural situation, psychological situation of the United States, because we have been living there for five years, and we wrote a book called The Decay of the American People and the United States.
And we were witnessing the decay of that country. And when we say decay, we mean really like this, the sense of the tooth decay. Yes. It's a kind of deterioration.
Richard: From inside.
Cláudia: From inside. And it is due, as Dr. Keppe put in the book, in all the scientific, psychological, philosophical, religious analysis he did about the situation in the United States. So it came from within, within the government, within the American society, American values, and unfortunately, inside the psychological life of Americans.
And we could say that psychology and psychoanalysis played a horrible, horrible role in the situation. We can say that neoliberalism with its consumption mentality to consume and to buy and to base the life of people and the economy of the country around buying, consuming, and working as minimum as possible, and making money while you sleep, like speculating with money. So all the values, the old American values, were left behind and officially left behind after Mr.
Reagan's era. But before that, sneakily, American psychology was making influence inside churches. Inside schools, inside homes, inside Hollywood, inside publishing houses, bringing the idea that human beings were neurotic, psychotic, and ill, physically ill, because they had what Freud called a super ego. A superego means, in a short way to consider, something that you acquire from social, religious, moral values from society since you were born.
And the superego represses and suppresses, but mostly represses, the instincts, the libido, the desires that are authentic and genuine of the beings and individuals in order to serve a hypocritical, domineering society. So human beings started to see in social values, religious values, moral values, something not only from the past, surpassed, old-fashioned, but also harmful. So education shift from repressing the wrong deeds or the wrong feelings and anger and envy, especially those seven sins, capital sins, they started not to be anymore capital sins, but
Richard: they were started
Cláudia: to be genuine impulses that should be fulfilled.
Free sex, free consumption of food, free desire to acquire money and to make your own living with egotism, free to express your anger. Yeah,
Richard: do what you want because the society is trying to stop you from being who you are.
Cláudia: Yeah, and these are your rights. So, envy is a right. Greediness. Greed is
Richard: a right.
It's
Cláudia: advisable. Anger, it's also important to be manifested if you want to survive.
Richard: Lust is crucial to your psychological well-being.
Cláudia: So all capital sins passed or started to be the seven rules of well-being of humanity. Don't frustrate a child in his desires because you will make him a neurotic adult in the future. So what did we see?
Richard: This is interesting, Cláudia. Just let me just pop in here for a second because you mentioned neoliberalism, and I think many of the people who are looking at what's going on in the world, they're seeing this as an economic political problem, and you're going to the root of it as a psychological.
Disturbance, a psychological distortion. And
Cláudia: the psychological distortion made some people to write and to create theories that have behind the theories the pathology, pathology of the creators of those theories.
Richard: Wow. So when we go to this level of psychology, we see then that this has dominated, really, North American, certainly North American viewpoint and probably much of the western world as a result.
Cláudia: And the eastern world was resisting to that and now they are gone. They are all joining they are joining this mentality even
Richard: China. Yeah, I have a young listener to our program from India Cláudia and he writes me frequently long prose letters, beautiful letters he writes about this conflict that he feels. He's a young man in his early 20s and he feels this conflict between the loss of the values of the spiritual past and this consumerism, aggression, competition that we see today.
So there they're experiencing it too, a tremendous conflict of these values.
Cláudia: So what do we have? We had something wrong in the past as well, before Freudian era. We had an idea that people should suppress consciousness of the problems as well. To be really hypocritical, and this was very sick too, but not as sick as now. But let's consider that Freud made a big mistake when he realized that some people got neurotic because they suppressed or they repressed some problems.
That he made, he made a mistake, and this is a mistake. And this is a confusion that is crucial, and that not all clients in psychoanalysis, not all my clients, for instance, understand this. For instance, I have a client, she is a state persecutor.
Richard: Prosecutor.
Cláudia: Yeah, prosecutor in a high rank of the state. She's very knowledgeable, she's very intellectual, she's very capable in her profession, highly positioned, but she can't, in her sessions, see the difference between accepting a problem and accepting to see the problem.
One thing is the consciousness of a problem and another thing is the problem in itself. So when I told her yesterday, Mrs. X, you have a big difficulty to accept the consciousness of the mistakes of the people and of your own. And she got kind of furious and started to say, what should I do? What should I do? How do I solve this problem?
Should I just
Richard: pass a hand on the head of people? Just to sort of pat them on the head, you know. Yeah,
Cláudia: to say it's okay, it's okay, it's
Richard: okay to make mistakes
Cláudia: and accept everything. And she got furious. And I said, come on.
Richard: Calm down. Now,
Cláudia: calm down. You didn't even understand what I said. Your arrogance is so big that you already discharged my interpretation.
And you didn't even understand what I said. Can you repeat my interpretation? And she had difficulties in repeating, but after one or two times with my help, she was able to repeat the sentence. One thing is a consciousness of a mistake, and another thing is the mistake in itself. For instance, you can be an aggressive, arrogant person and never notice, never see it.
If you want to correct this problem, you must see it first. So if you suppress the consciousness, how are you going to correct the problem? So if you fight with the consciousness of all problems, if you have some employees that she has and they are misbehaving, so if you fight with the consciousness of the misbehavior of those people, if you get angry like furious, how will you have emotional conditions to resolve your problems?
So she had to admit that there was something really important in that point. And this is one of the major discoveries of Keppe.
Richard: Yeah, this is very important. This is crucial.
Cláudia: This is crucial. Because every time you seem liberal, many times you seem liberal, but you are not. You are just accepting the problem but not being liberal with the consciousness of the problem.
So going back. The consciousness
Richard: that it is a problem, Cláudia. You mean the
Cláudia: consciousness that it is a problem. Yeah, yeah. To recognize the consciousness of some problem, of any problem. To see something is one thing, and that something is another thing. One thing is like this glass, right, in itself. And I'm looking to this glass, and I'm acknowledging, I have the consciousness that this glass is here and it exists.
So I can drink the water inside of it. I can watch and I can observe, the water is pure, I can drink it. So this is the consciousness I have about the water inside this glass. And the glass in itself may be here in the dark, or I can sometimes pass by the glass and don't even see it, and don't even notice.
So they are totally different things. And with the problems is the same thing, with pathology has been the same. Humanity is living and wishing and choosing to be problematic without acknowledging it.
Richard: Now, what
Cláudia: is the importance of this?
Richard: But hang on, Cláudia, we need to take a quick break because now you're getting into something that I think you're going to need some time to develop a bit more.
So I want to give you the time. So you're listening to Thinking with Somebody Else's Head on the Positive World Radio Network. Richard Lloyd Jones with Cláudia Bernhardt Pacheco. And this will be fascinating when we come back, so don't go too far away.
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Back in a second. We are back. I can't wait to get into this discussion with Cláudia because this is a subject I think that we North Americans really don't get. So, Thinking with Somebody Else's Head on the Positive World Radio Network back once again. And, Cláudia, consciousness of the problem versus the problem itself. You know, because everybody thinks, but if I see the problem, that's negative.
Like, you know, I can't, if I spend all my time looking at problems, that was the subject of my very first analysis with you. You asked me a question. You said, Richard, do you think this move you made in your career might have been something that you did in order to make your life more difficult? And I remember saying, but Cláudia, I can't think like that.
If I think like that, I won't get out of bed in the morning. I won't be able to, I won't be, how will I be able to go about my work there in New York, going off to auditions, five or six or seven auditions a day? How can I do that if I'm thinking maybe I'm doing this to make my life more difficult?
So this is like a fundamental, fundamental problem. And let's see if we can explain that a little bit more today. What more do you want to say about that?
Cláudia: I want to get back to the point of what we are going through in humanity now. And in order to get there, I have to give this explanation, this basic explanation about what happens in our inner lives.
So because everything that happens, Richard, in the world, even in our nature, has an enormous influence of our thoughts and feelings. In
Richard: other words, the results come from the attitudes and actions, beliefs of the
Cláudia: human being. And
Richard: it's
Cláudia: all engaged, all involved, and even in terms of radionics, this is something important because latest scientific discoveries can say and can prove that our thoughts, our feelings, they have a big impact in nature.
In the water, as Yamamoto explains, Masaru Emoto,
Richard: the Japanese scientist,
Cláudia: he's an interesting
Richard: scientist from Japan.
Cláudia: Many people who researched the influence of humans in plants, in plantations, in plants, flowers, trees, nature, animals, we have an enormous influence, energetic influence over nature. So, but let's go to that idea that Freud brought when he realized that his client, Anna Orr, got paralyzed with hysterical, like a hysterical paralysis because she had an enormous anger.
She hated her father unconsciously because he was sick and she had to devote her life to treat her, to care, to take care of him. So she, on the surface, on the conscious level, she loved her father. She knew she had to do good for him, but deep down in her emotional level, she hated him. Now when she realized the hatred she had, she got healed.
Freud immediately thought repressing the anger causes disease. Now what is the difference between Freud and Keppe? After Freud, many psychoanalysts thought you must let go out, like to express, to let the manifestation, to accept the manifestation of anger, hatred, uh, low level emotions that were considered unacceptable in the hypocritical society of the past.
Richard: Because if you kept them in, you would be
Cláudia: doing damage to yourself, right?
So many psychological schools, educational, pedagogical schools, and even churches started to accept that the true nature of man was good and evil, and the true nature of man should be accepted as such, and accept the anger. And they started to analyze even monkeys, primates, that manifested anger, and comparing to human beings, and saying no, greediness and egotism and narcissism and megalomania and luxury and whatever, it's, it, it's part of nature, so we should not repress it.
Comparing us to a lower level, like to animals, and this was also a mistake, because we are not animals. We are angels with bodies. We are like souls with bodies, embodied souls. Uh, Keppe says the following, and now please try to follow. I am Freud's client. Got sick because she suppressed the consciousness of her anger, her hatred, her hatred. She suppressed the consciousness.
She didn't want
Richard: to see that she had these
Cláudia: feelings, yes. And that was the
Richard: problem, not the feeling itself. Because
Cláudia: if she saw it and admitted that she was able to have low level of, like, lower, yeah,
Richard: almost primitive, right, almost
primitive,
Cláudia: she would admit that she had a pathology, that anger, hatred is a pathology. But she was, she had it, and she had to acknowledge it in order to control it and not to express it, but being conscious of that.
Because what causes disease is not repressing anger, is repressing the perception of anger. Now, now, what is the difference in practice? If you let anger go, like exist, and if you feed anger, you will create more and more electrical energies in your body. You will create a lot of free radicals. You will have a heart attack. You will have high blood pressure.
You will create cancer. You will create migraines. It's not good for the human being to be angry, but it's good to perceive that he's angry So he can control it. He can understand the problem. He can deal with the problem in the conscious, in a higher level.
Richard: Yeah, but now you're talking about why it's difficult. I mean, now you're touching on why it's difficult because nobody wants to admit these things.
Cláudia: Yeah, because of the arrogance, the narcissism.
Richard: How come I can be so horrible, a horrible being like this? How could I hate my father? Yeah, he's so good to me. And it's because of my envy. It's because of my ungratefulness. It's because I have those seven capital scenes in my psychological and genetical DNA. So I have this to deal with and not to let this lower level instincts to dominate me.
Or not instincts, but pathologies. Because instincts are all good. And I think something else that's underneath this, Cláudia, Because when we express the anger that we have, we're admitting that that is part of us. But when we have consciousness, somehow we're seeing that it's not the reality of the human being. We are not that in true true sense. So it's like our anger is like...
Cláudia: You mean in essence. In the
Richard: original essence in the past. We should not be like this. Right. But we have this now and we need to see that in order to try to control it to return closer to the true
Cláudia: essence. To the true essence. To the true DNA, which is all infected by those negative emotions. And it's blowing up our true DNA.
It's destroying, it's corrupting. Because every bad emotion, it's an energy. And this energy affects our DNA negatively. And can create even diabetes and many diseases and free radicals. So imagine, if you can look to a glass of water and have a negative thought, and the water will change its vibration and composition. The molecule of water will change its format. Imagine we are more than 70% of water.
If we are totally filled up with negative feelings and thoughts, our very essence of our body and soul will be corrupted, distorted and destroyed. Now, we have a tremendous power, energetic power, and if we let these negative feelings and negative thoughts free and feed them, you can imagine what the world became, energetically speaking, Richard. The effect that almost 7 billion brains working invertedly, energetically speaking, releasing envy, depression, hatred, narcissism, egotism, arrogance.
Richard: While continuing to think that we're good. Yes. Continuing
Cláudia: to think that we don't have problems. That we are victims. And being victims, we have the right to fight and fighting and fighting. And creating an enormous energetic pollution in the planet. So this can and does affect nature. So when we hear those people speaking about apocalyptic times being a result of the sin of mankind, so we will not see this as a result of God's punishment.
God doesn't punish anyone. He's totally goodness. But we can, yes, understand that humanity got to such a lower level of behavior, of values, of mentality, philosophy of life, that we not only went to like an animal state, because animals don't do this to nature, but because they don't have this seven problems, major problems. But we do have,
Richard: so we do things with evil intentions, with evil emotions.
Well, there's some animals who around their, their owners will become kind of erotic,
Cláudia: can be affected, like they do be, but in a general
Richard: sense, yeah, yeah. I have a multiple,
Cláudia: multiple sclerosis client and she said her cat died with paralysis, and, and her dog, too. So she influenced physically, energetically, the two animals in her house. Now, imagine then, Richard, how much we are contributing to this climate change.
We can contribute to this climate change with our habits, horrible habits of destroying polluting nature, physically polluting nature. Garbage, using wrong kind of energetic sources, like fuel, like oil, like nuclear
Richard: power,
Cláudia: nuclear power. So we are
Richard: directly destroying nature, chemicals and toxic substances,
Cláudia: toxic substance.
Richard: We're sitting in a
Cláudia: room here full of products that are made from toxic chemicals, because our science is upside down, as Keppe says.
We are all upside down, we are all inverted, seeing energy coming from matter and not the other way around. So we see health coming from the body and from, from matter too, and not from the other way around, from the, from, from the spirit, from the psychological life. So we are all upside down and we are destroying our planet. Now if you want to give a break, I'm okay,
Richard: but I was, I have a comment.
But I mean, when you get
Cláudia: going, it's so fascinating. Because I go to another area now.
Richard: Yeah, so let me just make this point here first. Everything in society is designed to keep us from the consciousness you're talking about. Yes. Not only the psychology you talked about at the beginning, but our economic structure, our media.
Cláudia: Everything.
Richard: Everything, Cláudia.
Cláudia: Everything. Academies.
Richard: Yes,
Cláudia: our
Richard: intellectual institutions.
Everything is designed to keep us from this consciousness. The
Cláudia: so-called genius and Nobel Prizes, the theories they created are all upside down. Freud, Darwin, Adam Smith,
Richard: Marx, Einstein, Newton, many of others, Pasteur. They
Cláudia: are all upside down scientists and they are taken as gods in the academies. So
Richard: the necessity to see this fundamental inversion from reality is the fundamental thing that we need to do.
Dr. Keppe's work is totally about this, is to help the human being to see the essence of the problem, which is this inversion from the reality of ourselves. And then wanting to hide that with all of this subterfuge, all of this entertainment, all of this consumption. It's an extraordinary thing. We have one minute, and I don't want you to start on another topic just yet because I think once you launch into the next area, we're going to need some time to develop it.
So I just want to say that this can seem, for somebody who's not used to it, like a negative thing, like my first analysis session, seeing the problem. Cláudia, how can I get out of bed in the morning if I have to see the way I am? But this is the only way that we can return because we're not evolving. We're deteriorating from the truth of ourselves.
Cláudia: And every time, Richard, you feed a negative thought, you are feeding free radicals in your body. Now, there's a powerful thought. And this is something that we have to understand. Our brain is composed by two hemispheres.
Richard: Don't go away because when Cláudia tells you she's going to launch into another area, then this is really fascinating. So, you are listening to Thinking with Somebody Else's Head on the Positive World Radio Network.
Thinking with Somebody Else's Head is on the Positive World Radio Network.
And both Cláudia and I love this title, Healing Through Consciousness. It's the title of Cláudia's first book, second book, first book, your first book, I think, about the aspect of theomania, the mankind's arrogance and the link that that has with stress and disease.
So Healing Through Consciousness is our website and I invite you to go there for lots of information about this fascinating science of Norberto Gheppi called Analytical Trilogy. Cláudia, we're riffing. We're like jazz musicians. You're like a jazz musician taking us into areas that are just fascinating to consider. Where do we go from here now? We've talked about the problem of the human being related to psychology.
We've talked about the unwillingness to see. We've talked about how these negative ideas, especially unseen ones, create free radicals, how they affect the environment we live in, the nature we live in. Wow, we are in trouble in human beings, in society, aren't we?
Cláudia: We are because we don't have this understanding. Because when we have, these are good news. Seeing this problem, like it's good news to us.
Because we can, by or through this understanding, shift our energetic being and becoming to be more like a channel and channeling the essential divine energy, which Tesla called this vacuum energy, which Chinese call ki or chi energy, in India, in India.
Richard: So
Cláudia: if we understand better how to, uh, manipulate, to manipulate, to no more,
Richard: to, to use, to
Cláudia: work with, to work with this energy and to take the best use of it, we can do huge moves ahead and we can make difference, a big difference.
So, Richard, as I was saying, we have two sides of the brain and everything is dual in nature, is double, like it's double to be one. Man and woman, the brain, it's the left and the right side of the brain working together. The intuition and the intellect and you have two legs and two arms and two eyes, everything go to one, to make one, like God the Father and the Son and then having the Holy Spirit and the Trinity.
So two making three, like in one. Third being the result of the union.
Richard: Union of the two
Cláudia: creates then a union of a larger force. So what Keppe realized in his book, New Physics, And he was able to see the union between physics, biology, and psychology. This is great because he sees that this essential energy, this vibrational energy, is the essence of the physical world, the biological world, and the psychological world.
So if we don't understand how this energy works, we will destroy and we are destroying. If you separate, if you split magnetism, you create electricity. Electricity has been used as the major instrument for the modern society. Our progress relies almost 100% on electricity. And electricity is already a result or a byproduct of magnetism.
Richard: Magnetism being like a superior force then.
Cláudia: Yes, magnetism is dual.
And if you separate this duality of magnetism, you create a disease. You create a distortion. You create a monstrous kind of energy, which is electricity, that should be working together, like electricity is this division of energy of magnetism. In our cells is the same, our energies from the vortex of our molecules, the atomic, the atom is dual. So when we separate, when we split, see the atom bomb, what happens?
So the power of electricity should not be used in humanity, because it's, it's not normal, it's abnormal, it's, it's not natural, it's unnatural. So that's why when you have storms, when you have earthquakes. When you have all this... Lightning. Trying to
Richard: rebalance the system.
Cláudia: It's like the free radicals. They look for their double to get together. It's like an electron.
Richard: That is separated from the atom.
Looking for... Another
Cláudia: part there to reestablish the balance.
Richard: Bouncing around the cell causing oxidization because there's not enough energy to hold it inside the
Cláudia: atom. It's alone. It's
Richard: like lost. It can be alone. It's the same as electricity. Electricity, these huge electrical storms are an attempt to rebalance the distortion in the energy
Cláudia: field. It's like an enormous free radical in terms of Earth and planets.
Interesting. So the true energy is soft, is harmonious, is calm, it's peaceful. Electricity is a byproduct, but a monstrous byproduct. And people know
Richard: by... Because it's been separated.
Cláudia: Yes, only because of this. Yeah. Only because of this. Yeah. And you can see this by intuition when they do this, when they produce those movies to say Frankenstein and
Richard: all this horror movies and...
He's alive.
Cláudia: The devil and Satan. And it's all involving electricity and electrical phenomena, because the orbital energies that run inside our brain, they can be very much distorting and they can be very much destructive. So a wrong idea, a wrong thought that is separated from love and from intuition, They have the same negative power as a free radical, as a strike.
Richard: Lightning strike.
Cláudia: Lightning strike or something like this. It becomes destructive. It should not be. But separating from the other side of the brain a thought without love, an intellect used without
Richard: love or hatred
Cláudia: or egotism or with paranoia, suspicion, intellect can be very destructive. And it creates bad energy. So now, let's go and see all these comments that you mentioned in the beginning of the program.
Some people believe now many people will die as a consequence of their sins. So we could consider that the mounting up of negative emotions and negative attitudes, It is creating an enormous energetic pollution that is affecting the planet, and it can affect the planet, really, and everything. So, this is one thing. Another thing is that some people say they claim a new planet, an X planet, planet X, planet Nibiru, that might be approaching Earth, and that that planet could cause an enormous harm to our planet.
Yes, it could. Even more if we have an attraction, a synchrony with a planet which has plenty of electrical and distorted energies in it.
Richard: Which apparently it does.
Cláudia: Because it's like lost and outside a good orbit. So it's like a crazy planet.
Richard: It's a free radical.
Cláudia: It's like a free radical. So it's filled up with a negative and imbalanced energy. Many
Richard: people don't know anything about Planet X.
I don't know how much research you've been doing on this, but there's a lot of investigation of this happening at least since the 70s, maybe before that. So there's lots of investigation.
Cláudia: There's a huge planet the size of Jupiter, bigger than Jupiter, I think. It's enormous.
Richard: It's heading into our solar system. It's going to cause all
Cláudia: sorts of distortion. And it could be.
I don't deny this possibility because our planet, it's a kind of attracting and having this resonance or this synchrony. So if we don't have a magnetosphere more protected with magnetism, which is the true energy that comes from the true good feelings and good actions and good thoughts. Unified. Unified to protect and to create a shield, an energetic shield, not to let this planet come so close to our planet Earth.
Richard: And I think we should think about this personally, too, Cláudia, because if there's a big planet coming, well, this is not definitive yet. But we need to have this magnetic connection again. We need to have this wholism, this coming
Cláudia: together. Because this is a shield of protection. For
Richard: us, yes.
Cláudia: For us, for us, individuals, for us as a planet. As a species.
As a species. And here come also those prophecies that the Catholic people say about the messages of the Holy Mother, saying that people should convert, people should convert to God and be good, and people should pray, and people should watch themselves and not to allow themselves to get too deep into sin. And when she speaks about sin, I understand and I translate pathology, as we scientists understand.
So if you go too deep in your pathology, even depression, even sadness, is a lack of hope, is a kind of pathology, is a kind
Richard: of sin. And I just want to just, because I know there'll be a lot of people from North America listening, this does not mean covering over the consciousness that I'm depressed or angry.
Cláudia: Yes, sure, sure.
Richard: The tendency will be now to say, oh my God, I can't be
Cláudia: depressed anymore.
What do I do? I can't be depressed anymore. But I feel depressed. Only I can't be depressed. So I put on my happy face. So what do I do? So don't do anything. Just see. See who you are and
Richard: look at your inner
Cláudia: life and look at your choices and your true unconscious choices so far. So if we could have this understanding as much as possible, we could create such a shield of good energy around the planet to protect ourselves.
And those who are too much involved in pathology, they would be weaker and would be maybe even attracted, as some of the Jewish and some of the Christians say, the rapture. I would not advise people that would be willing to be raptured because it seems that those people
would not be
Cláudia: taken by God, but be taken by a negative energy. So I understand that all these theories, they have something in common.
Conspiracy theories. They say there are secret societies, demonic, satanic, sick societies that are just fighting for their own interests and they wanted to eliminate an enormous portion of humanity using harp like radionics, using chemtrails like releasing poison and chemicals
Richard: on the air. This is also possible because the
Cláudia: secret societies, they are dominated by this upside down beliefs that being good is a foolishness, is to be a fool, to be honest, is to be stupid.
And they are all upside down because only the good in terms of being more honest. I mean, not the saints, the hypocritical saints. I'm speaking about the humble people. Those have a better energy and they have better conditions to survive inside a crisis like this.
Richard: Because if we do anything not linked to truth and goodness, Cláudia, we're causing a huge destruction. So, I mean, this idea that we can, you know, use war to create peace or bring stability through war, this is a totally crazy idea that has no relationship to metaphysical truth, does it?
Cláudia: The secret societies, they are right in one thing. This huge amount of people, they are like useless eaters and like a cancer. But not because they are poor, not because they are people, but because they are upside down. And they are not aware of their own bad feelings, bad attitudes, and that poverty should not exist. If they would be responsible for their own lives, if they would take more responsibility, if they would be led to the right place, to be converted to the reality.
When the Holy Mother, the Mother of Jesus says to convert, we would say to disinvert or to go back to the true reality. And then all those people could become a plus for humanity, a real plus. Leading
Richard: us to something good.
Cláudia: Yes. But this is not a solution to kill everybody. It's not a solution. Because we have to go to the root and see the root.
Because if we don't, those who are left, who stay in the planet, they will restart an upside down society all over again.
Richard: This is Thinking with Somebody Else's Head. This is riveting. And we'll come back next week. Join us on the Positive World Radio Network. Bye for now.
