Richard Lloyd Jones: I'm Richard Lloyd Jones, and this is Thinking with Somebody Else's Head. It would be difficult to ignore the problems all around us. I was watching a disturbing video on the weekend about the serious consequences of geoengineering, this manipulation of the jet streams through chemtrails, and the High Frequency Active Auroral Research Program, or HARP, in Alaska and Russia, and how they're threatening to finish up with the Arctic ice flows in two to three years and liberate massive amounts of methane into the atmosphere and generally demolish life as we know it.
It's a horrifying scenario, coupled with the massive damage being caused economically by the secret banking cabals, and it can really make you lose sleep. Good to remember, then, that there's good action all around us, too, well-intentioned people working in their communities for justice and equality and environmental sustainability.
This tension has always existed between the forces of evil and the forces of good, But it seems the stakes are higher today than they've ever been. There's no exaggeration probably to say we're living in important, maybe even apocalyptic times. The final conflict today on Thinking with Somebody Else's Head. On our Stop Radio Network, we work continually to make humanity conscious of the root causes of our difficulties.
And so we're not interested only in stimulating or provoking. No, we have a therapeutic bent at the International Society of Analytical Trilogy in Brazil. So we try to provide the light, not just the heat. One of my pet peeves in today's mainstream media is this tendency to blast us with data and info and images without any connecting thread to tie things together.
Let me give an example. As the recent Boston bombings coverage was unfolding, I saw on CNN especially, that's who I was paying the most attention to.
Over and over, the image of these two suspects with backpacks walking past the same corner, over and over again. I saw them and heard the earnest reporters announcing the suspicious behavior of these two young men in question, and I thought, but none of that looks suspicious. It's two guys walking through a group of marathon supporters. So there was a ton of faith you needed to have to make the decision that these two guys were guilty or even suspects based on that video.
But here was CNN reporting, buying the story without any questions. It's like, we've got this video. It's all we have. So let's keep showing it over and over again while we repeat incessantly the few facts we have. And it kind of like hypnotizes you. But it doesn't help you to think or to question. It's like a train pulling out of the station, and you've got to jump on it or you'll miss it, and the next one's not for another week.
But I found myself saying, well, who's deciding all this? Who's coming up with all these conclusions? The same ones who decided JFK was killed by a lone gunman from a book depository? Or that substantial eyewitness accounts from first responders about explosions at the World Trade center on 9-11 should be ignored? I, like many of us, crave connections, a through line, not isolated facts and images thrown on screen to fill up the 24-7 smotherage that substitutes for thoughtful analysis in our digital, shared-with-10,000-Facebook-friends, flash-mob world.
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Well, Cláudia Baron-Happashek was with us again today. And, Cláudia, I was thinking over the weekend about how difficult things are still on our planet. I'm sure you've noticed that, too. I have friends with all sorts of difficulties in health and relationships with finances.
We have an overload of information in the world about everything, but we often don't know what the heck is going on, like in Boston. I was watching a video of a former Canadian politician, Paul Hellyer, speaking to the Citizen Hearing on Disclosure in Washington about a week or so ago about ETs here on Earth. Pretty persuasive arguments he has about that, and, of course, the control of the international bankers.
I'll tell you, sometimes I think it's all just a little too overwhelming. How are you responding to all this?
Cláudia: At the present moment, Richard, I don't know what to think about anything.
Richard: Yeah, this is exactly my feeling, too.
Cláudia: So I
Richard: don't know where to go, what to do, what to plan. So I'm really knowing, acknowledging
Cláudia: I'm in the hands of God. So I really have no way to do any planning because the sensation is we don't know about the future.
No. We don't know what is going to happen even in our everyday life. Yeah. If we go outside and then in Brazil, life is a threat every day. In North America, you don't know when you're going to be accused of being a terrorist. Yeah. In Korea, North Korea and South Korea, you don't know when the war is starting, and the Middle East as well, when the missile will drop on your head.
Yeah, and the
Richard: world is like we say in English like a tender box, you know. You throw a match in and the whole thing, you don't know what
Cláudia: is going to happen to the church. No, because it
Richard: seems that Pope Francis is a
Cláudia: nice guy. He has good intentions and we don't know how the Vatican and the mafias in the Vatican will react towards him.
What will he be able to do or not? So times are really unstable, unpredictable. We know the evil guys are behind somewhere in hiding, somewhere.
We don't know. We know Bush cannot go out of the country, right?
Richard: Well, he canceled the trip to Switzerland out of fear of being prosecuted for war crimes, crimes against
Cláudia: humanity. So this can happen in any place he goes. The same as to Kissinger. So we know these Jesuits are watching the skies with very potent telescopes.
Richard: We saw something released that was on the NASA site from the Solar and Heliospheric Observatory, the Extreme Ultraviolet Imaging Telescope, took pictures of this cube or something on the
Cláudia: sun or close to the sun.
Richard: They say "it's like seven times the size of Earth."
Cláudia: "Each cube?" "Yeah. Seven times the size
Richard: of Earth." Well, this was released on a site that Will sent to us, a guy who observes UFO sightings. I forget his name now. But he was saying that this picture was on the official NASA site that shows a mysterious black cube shape close to the sun.
Not sure if it's emerging from the sun or close to the sun. They're estimating from the size of it in perspective with the sun. It's seven times the size of Earth, and nobody knows what it is. So, you know.
Cláudia: Find this still in NASA's site? They
Richard: say that. I looked for it this morning, couldn't see it, but they say that
Cláudia: it's still on NASA's site.
Because if the Jesuits, the doctors in astronomy, are stating, and this is documented, that they are looking for extraterrestrial life in those specialized telescopes, infrared telescopes, Ultraviolet, right?
Richard: Extreme ultraviolet?
Cláudia: No, I think it's infrared. I'm
Richard: not sure, but I think it's infrared.
So you can see those elements like extraterrestrial life and things that are hidden for our regular sight. But you cannot detect like in the average telescopes.
Cláudia: So this is something that we have been informed here and there.
So we really don't know where we are heading to. And humanity, where is humanity heading to? What can
Richard: help us from the esoteric? Nobody
Cláudia: speaks anymore about Nibiru planet and things
Richard: like this. Because
Cláudia: nothing showed up so far.
Richard: It was supposed to be here by now, right?
Cláudia: Yeah, it was supposed to be here. This
Richard: cube, by the way, that they got the picture of from the sun was discovered on the 21st of December last year,
which is interesting timing.
Richard: I mean, I don't know. But is there anything from the esoteric predictions from the sightings of the Holy Mother and things, Malachi, Martin, is there anything that can help us
Cláudia: to understand from this? We know that from the sightings of the Holy Mother in Garabandal, they are waiting for something. When was this, by the way? The 60s, when she came. And it seems that she came to complete the apparitions and the messages she gave, she brought in Fatima.
And in La Salette.
Richard: Late, early 1900s.
Cláudia: Fatima was in 1917, and then she communicated more with Sister Lucia. But this huge, huge manifestations went on, took place in Fatima in 1917,
Richard: mostly.
Cláudia: This was a prophetic time, end of the First World War, the Russian Revolution. This was an intense time in human history, too. Because, you
Richard: know, it had that monstrosity of the First World War which just destroyed the Belle Epoque movement out of France.
And communism took power. Yeah, my family was persecuted. My mother's family was persecuted at this time. When the communists took over, they came and took all the farms from my mother's family. Could
Cláudia: have led to tremendous distress for millions of people. Yeah. And then Nazism. Nazi.
Richard: Nazism. There
Cláudia: was Second World War. We
Richard: had that whole weird period in the 20s, too, that sort of kind of decadent, disturbed, so-called development.
Cláudia: According
Richard: to these
Cláudia: messages, it was predicted that if humanity didn't change its behavior, which we call totally inverted, unethical and inverted, upside-down behavior, mostly upside down behavior. But they don't use this term. They use the term to convert to God. We do not use the term convert because we don't want to sound as a religious thing and it's a psychological thing. It's like more disinvert we speak about because we are inverted.
And then we have to disinvert. And this coincides with convert. It's going back to the right version of reality, to truth, beauty, and goodness. But according to these predictions, a third big danger would approach humanity if we would not change our mentalities and our behavior. And, of course, understanding better the situation through the new physics that Dr. Keppe wrote and discovered and developed.
We understand that this brings a lot of bad energy to the planet, and not only bad energy in terms of esoteric things and supernatural as it's known, but according to radionics and radioesthesia, these are studies of energy, science. We know that negative thoughts, words, actions, feelings, they do disturb the natural energy of the planet. So it can destroy the weather, the environment, plants, animals, and ourselves.
This is already experienced.
Richard: I remember you talking in a radio show with Dr. Keppe one time about this. You were talking about how we are designed to capture energy, God's energy.
Cláudia: Which we could call natural, essential. Essential
Richard: energy. Tesla called it scalar energy. There's different names for this. We are
Cláudia: designed to capture this energy. And in order to
Richard: do that, we have to be like a radio station.
We have to be tuned to the right frequency. And if we're not, then we don't capture correctly. And you described it in this radio program. If we're not in alignment with this radio station, then we are deprived of capturing this energy. And we become, you said, you didn't say stupid. This is my word of saying it. We become like
Cláudia: mentally anemic. Mentally.
Richard: Mentally, physically. Physically. So we've become like stupid. And so this discovery of energy, Dr. Keppe's discovery of essential energy, which other people have touched on but have not really characterized as well as he has, is like an essential element for us to understand. That there is a way to be that brings us energy and health and a better society.
Cláudia: So, if we continue, Richard, in this tsunami of negativity, this will have a response.
Everything we launch comes back.
So, if we attack nature energetically the way we do, physically even, socially, physically, energetically, spiritually. Spirit is, in German, is Geist. You know Geist? Geist is the soul. Soul is Geist. And Geist is energy. When you go to fill up your tank.
Richard: You go to a Geist station.
Cláudia: You go to a Geist station. Yes. In Germany. So if we extinguish the channels or if we block the channels to bring to the planet the food, the energetic food or the food which is energy for all things, material, immaterial, we are becoming anemic, as you said.
We are debilitating everything. And so I wonder, because as you said, Malachi Martin mentioned many times in his radio speeches and interviews, he said, "something horrible we would have to face before things got better." As was predicted in La Salette in France in the 19th century, in Fatima in the early 20th century, in Garabandal in the 60s, 1960s, in the 70s or 80s in Bayside in New York City, that if we would not change our behavior, horrible things would happen to us because of our behavior.
I don't see it as God punishing. Not because of God punishing. I
Richard: don't see this as something like
Cláudia: God punishing. It's a natural law. And they claimed if we would shift our direction, this could be prevented. And Malachi Martin said that according to his ideas and the information he had, even secret information, because he read the full content of Fatima's message, the third secret.
And he said, before he died, that this content was terrifying. And this does not coincide with what was published and released by the Vatican as the official third or last part of the third secret, which was kept secret. For a long time.
Richard: What was the official story of the
Cláudia: third secret? It was something very like a
Richard: man. Bad things are going to happen.
The pope dressed in, like a bishop dressed in white, could
Cláudia: be the pope, would be killed, and a lot of blood around.
But there was more. There was more. And it seemed to us that...
Richard: Well, if he said
Cláudia: it was terrifying, it must be more. And it must be more and must include the whole of the humanity. And not only the Pope and the people around the Pope in Rome. So we were expecting for something more universal and more like cosmic kind of thing.
Richard: Let's talk about that more when we come back. We're back in just a moment. I'm Thinking with Somebody Else's Head. Let's look at the prophecies, Cláudia, because I think there's things here that most of us from a sectarian sort of upbringing we don't have any knowledge of, so this would be useful for us. We're back in just a moment. I'm Thinking with Somebody Else's Head.
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Richard: Richard Lloyd Jones, Cláudia Bernhardt Pacheco.
Cláudia is uh really quite a done a lot of study and work with these sightings of the holy mother throughout history and what they represent in practical terms, because this is the the thing. And I think for most of us who are not schooled in this, it's difficult for us to understand what is the relationship between the sighting and the imagery and the sort of metaphors that the Holy Mother talks in and the actual reality that we're living today.
What's the connection between those things?
Cláudia: Now, you see, Richard, we are all like in suspense. Yeah,
Richard: we're a suspended animation.
Cláudia: We don't know what is going to happen. Everybody was waiting for something cosmic, a cosmic happening in the 21st of December, 2012. Most of us knew that what they predicted was not the true thing to happen, because this was brought up by the major medias many times.
And we know that when the major media is behind, we know a lot of lies.
Richard: "Keep your eyes
Cláudia: open. Don't believe what…" So this created an idea in all our minds. So we believed that something major would happen. We believed that like Nibiru or the planet or this or that would happen. And on the turning of the century, and then on the 2012, and then, and then, and now, what?
Yeah. So what should we believe in? Yeah. So this brought a lot of discredit to any possible prophecies. Yeah.
Richard: The skepticism.
Cláudia: Sure. Yeah. How come you will believe in anything that was prophesied after all this palhaçada, that this is a clowniness?
Richard: You're joking around.
Cláudia: I'm creating words. Talia
Richard: Sandow, good.
Cláudia: All these Marian prophecies that Malachi Martin spoke about, and he said, "I'm sure up to 2017, things will be consummated.
By
Richard: 2017,
Cláudia: yeah."
So we look around, we think, my God, will a third world war start at any moment? Or will some extraterrestrial manifestation happen soon, unexpectedly?
Richard: Will there be an environmental or economic catastrophe that will take
Cláudia: everybody to the bottom? Yeah. We are, I don't know how to say this in English, to tell about my feelings and the feelings of my clients, so they are waiting and waiting.
It's like in a waiting room or in a line that you have to wait for something or in a long, distant flight that you are caught up in your small and…
Richard: Yeah. Cláudia, I've been on this wait
Cláudia: since the 80s. Since the 80s. Since the 80s, isn't it? Since
the 80s, I started to wake up because I saw a movie about the atomic insanity called The Atomic Café.
And this movie so shook me because of the insanity of what they were doing that I started to get involved in environmental groups and anti-nuclear groups.
And I started to think and read. So since the 80s, I've been reading about the end of the world, if you want to call it that. Not in the Marian prophecies because I didn't know anything about that.
Richard: But in like sort of the economists and the environmentalists and the population people and these kinds of people have been talking about the end of time.
So I've been, like your clients, I've been waiting a long time. And it doesn't come where it comes, but it comes in a very protracted. So I know exactly what your clients are talking about.
Cláudia: And things are
Richard: not getting better either. No, they're not. They're getting much worse, much worse. So
Cláudia: what the messages stated in Garabandal, for instance, there would be a sign from heaven or from sky that everybody should observe the sky.
That a sign would come and a sensation of a warning, a warning sensation, where we would have the consciousness of our lives and what we did wrong and the good that we didn't do, that this would increase inside the human beings, in the inner selves of people.
This is something that is already happening. I see people starting to get worried because they think, oh my God, should I have done something different in my life? Should I have done, I should have the courage to change the destiny of my life and stop working for these powerful psychopaths and wasting my life for nothing, just for survival. I might be able to survive in another way, in another manner, doing something good.
So this is increasing in humanity, this consciousness about the validity, the value, the the meaning of be working the way they are working, for whom they are working, and for the bankers and the powerful.
Richard: What have I lived my
Cláudia: life for, whatever, and and feeding wars and and paying for weapons and and all the only ones who benefited are this minimum less than one.
One percent. So, we see that we are on a verge of something.
We don't know what. The telescopes of the Vatican are turned to the sky, waiting, waiting, and looking, and looking. Last year, there was a triangle formed, formation of stars, very unusual. And I observed this myself. It stayed in the sky for a week or so. Do you remember the stars involved? I don't remember the names, but there is this. This was an astronomical effect or a
Richard: phenomenon.
Yeah.
Cláudia: And then as the planets moved, it was like this man, like this.
Richard: It dissipated. You don't see
Cláudia: the shape anymore, right? Yeah. But there was this triangle. And then I remember a movie I watched, The Final Conflict. Yeah. And this was interesting because The Final Conflict I watched on the 80s. Yeah, yeah. And there was this story of the coming of Jesus, the spirit of Jesus.
It was not really clear if the coming, the second coming, would be as Jesus as like flesh.
Richard: Jesus in the flesh reappearing on
Cláudia: earth. Or it looked like a huge spirit of Jesus coming in the end of the film, his victory. And the story was so interesting because there was like 666, The Beast, Damien, is the third part of Damien movies. Remember
Richard: this, Damien? Sure, sure, Damien.
Cláudia: And this third part, the fight or the final conflict was taken in London, and the Beast was the ambassador of the United States.
Played
Richard: by Sam Neill, I think.
Cláudia: Yeah, good, good movie. Very interesting. Very interesting
Richard: movie. And everybody trying
Cláudia: to... To extinguish or to kill or to eliminate him. And they could not. And only in the end, it was, because in the beginning there was a group of priests in like in Monte Cassino in Rome or near Rome or in Italy. Who had
Richard: the
Cláudia: project to go and kill him, right?
And they were observing the sky, and they had this huge telescope, as they are now, as they are now, by the way.
And they were expecting and waiting for these triangle formations in the sky, and when this triangle formation showed up, the thing was like a… It's time. It's time. The time… Has come. The counting
Richard: down. Sorry
Cláudia: for my difficulties. No, it's okay.
Richard: This is an emotional subject. They went, and when we're in an emotional subject, speaking a second language is really difficult.
Cláudia: And so they went, there were a number of the priests, the warrior monks then, who
Richard: were sent out to
Cláudia: try to find daggers.
Daggers. Yeah, to
Richard: kill. There were seven daggers. Yeah, and there were seven priests who...
Cláudia: And they lost. And just one, Wabaji, remained, the main one, the most important one. He remained, and he gave the means to a lady who represented the media.
Richard: Right. She was a reporter. She was a
Cláudia: reporter. Yes. And she had a son who was totally enchanted with the powerful.
And he was like pacting with the beast and in the end she lost her child, her son, but she succeeded in winning the fight against Lucifer.
Richard: She defeated, she
Cláudia: stabbed him in the back with the help of this Abadie, how do you say Abadie in English, I
Richard: don't know, Abbot,
Cláudia: Abbot maybe. And so it was a beautiful movie and I now I remember because of this triangle and the beast which represented the evil inside the powerful of the planet.
He was feeling weaker and weaker each day and feeling that the nazarene was here like the spirit of god was here already and active and draining his power and his energy. And this was so beautiful to see, this is beautiful. So we are in a in a in a situation where the priests, the Jesuits, are there observing the skies. We had this triangle last year.
Now we know that we are in the time for change.
We know that this pope, Francis I, is the last pope predicted by that prophet, Saint Malachias.
Richard: Many, many years ago.
Cláudia: Many, many years ago. So he is the last pope inside this way of institutionalized religion. We see Francis I ready or at least willing to do major modifications inside of Vatican structure and the church structure. We see and we watch him speaking about the devil many times and Lucifer.
And so this is absolutely amazing, because most of the popes forgot about the devil and speaking about the devil, and he's bringing back this concept. So it seems that he's aware of something very strong going on, some spiritual battle that is going on, and that will manifest itself more openly to everybody, all nations, all peoples. So we have this feeling that something is coming.
We don't know what. So we in Trilogy, we have been working to prepare people for this raising of consciousness.
Richard: Yes, this
Cláudia: inner movement. We need to raise up the level of consciousness of ourselves. We need any way. If we can disinvert humanity in time so we avoid major catastrophes, We can't avoid them. We can't.
Richard: You know, when you were speaking about the sort of the confrontation of power, in a sense, you talked about that.
Cláudia: And this can be extraterrestrial.
Richard: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Cláudia: The confrontation. Remember Reagan speaking about this?
Richard: Yeah, Star Wars. Yeah. Sure.
Cláudia: And other presidents in the United States, in Russia, they spoke openly.
Richard: Directly about this.
Cláudia: About extraterrestrial civilizations. I
Richard: saw a CBC, Canadian Broadcasting Corporation, reporter confronting the Canadian central banker. I forget his name now, the head of the central bank in Canada, who's going to become the head of the central bank in England.
He's one of the three most powerful central bankers in the world.
And this reporter was confronting him, and this guy did not like being confronted.
Cláudia: So you see who's behind the scenes. Who's persecuting this scientific work?
Richard: It's all the same people, Cláudia. It's always the same people. They just change positions. Amazing.
Cláudia: Amazing. It's a very few people. It's so amazing that we so small two scientists were persecuted in terms of this power of this world.
As Francis I says, "the government of this world is not a government or this is not a system that we should dialogue with. Yeah. We should not have a dialogue with this kind of government that we are seeing in the
Richard: planet." Is there any of Keppe's work that could be useful to us? Any books of his that you would recommend for people at this time?
About what? At this time of strengthening this inner life. Maybe Metaphysics 1, Liberation of the Being.
Do you have any? I'm just thinking of our people listening now. How can they begin to delve?
Cláudia: It's so universal. So we are going through the major revolutions of all. And we must know that not necessarily people who come from other planets will be good, because they came already, and they are here already in some way, interacting with us. There are the good ones and the bad ones, the bad guys.
And we know they can be very dangerous and deceptive. So what I have to say is watch yourselves, open your eyes, and pay attention to consciousness and to this inner feeling of what is good, beautiful, and truthful. Don't allow yourself to be deceived.
Richard: Yes, and especially don't allow yourself to lose this vision that all of us have. All cultures have this idea of a return to paradise.
We can't lose this hope, Cláudia.
Cláudia: And you know something, Richard?
We have seen beautiful men and beautiful prophets like Gandhi, like other prophets.
Richard: Martin Luther King.
Cláudia: Like even Buddha was very helpful. But I can tell you, we should stick to the teachings of the Son of God, Jesus Christ. Not with the institutional religion, but to him as a being who brought all the teachings possible intelligently, scientifically. He's a healer. He's a philosopher.
He's a scientist. He's a wise, super wise man because he's God. He has his divine nature. So he brought us the solution and the hope that we can overcome suffering, pain, and death. We can transcend this if we stick to his teachings. Not to the institutional religious teachings, but to his teachings.
Richard: Following his teachings. That's a tall order in our inverted society, isn't it?
But exactly what the greatest among us have tried to do, even if not consciously.
But there is a powerful resonance in the human soul to be good and to try to help others. Anyone who follows that creed is indeed following Jesus' teachings. That is our program for this week. Thinking with Somebody Else's Head is a proud production of the International Society of Analytical Trilogy. And we're back again next time on Thinking with Somebody Else's Head on the Stop Radio Network. And Richard Lloyd Jones. Until then.
