Richard Lloyd Jones: I'm Richard Lloyd Jones and welcome to Thinking with Somebody Else's Head on the Stop Radio Network. Mandela wrote that true freedom is not merely casting off your own chains, but living in a way that respects and enhances the freedom of others. I love the last part of that because it implies that we have an obligation to do something to assist the general welfare, not just sit back in our I'm-alright-Jack armchairs.
But it strikes me as I think about it that actually the strongest prisons that hold us hostage are not those made of concrete, steel, and barbed wire. We live in prisons erected by our wrong beliefs and philosophies of life. Norberto Keppe has written voluminously about a psychosocial condition called inversion and how this has caused us to see reality upside down. A deep reading of his vast output will take you on a journey of human consciousness that will mark a turning point in your life.
You'll never be the same after his great discoveries of human psychology enter your consciousness. One of the inverted institutions that locks us into an inferior worldview is modern science. Our lauded scientific worldview is seriously flawed. The Keppe Motor and the disinversion of science today on Thinking with Somebody Else's Head. As I record this, RioPlus20 is gearing up in Rio de Janeiro, here in Brazil, coinciding with the 20th anniversary of the STOP the Destruction of the World Association, the NGO that gave birth to our Stop radio network.
The mandate of Stop is to address what nobody else seems to want to address, and that is to shine a light on the root causes of the most serious human problems. Well, this is bigger than it sounds because it reaches into the psychological, philosophical, and even spiritual recesses of human consciousness and touches our deepest beliefs about who we are and what is our purpose on this planet.
Well, let me try to ground that a little into practical experience. I was watching a great video the other day by Janine Benyus. And watching it with a few of my students. And Janine was talking about biomimicry, this, I don't know, relatively, I guess, new field of science. It's certainly new to me. Interested in applying nature's wisdom to technological innovation and design.
And she was telling the story of taking a group of engineers to the Galapagos Islands to explore nature's solutions and see how they could be applied to technological problems. She was showing them how the problem of scaling, the buildup of crystallization in pipes, had been solved already by nature. She pointed out to them that the common seashell is the same calcium carbonate that's building up in these pipes, but that the shell emits a protein that stops the calcification process, so the shell stops crystallizing at a certain point, stops naturally.
The implication being that science could mimic this to stop pipe scaling. It's really wonderful stuff, you know, and holds much promise of bringing sustainability to our currently unsustainable technology. But I was struck also by a notable mistake in Ms. Benyus' scientific perspective. She was proposing that nature's intelligent design sprang from billions of years of field testing over millions of species. That nature had solved its problems as it went along, like problems had arisen throughout the billions of years of evolution that had been solved by the process of adaptation.
This is actually a metaphysical error, because it talks of incomplete things becoming complete over time. That's an Aristotelian view of potential becoming action. Keppe has corrected this, actually, by returning to the more holistic view held by Plato, Aristotle's master and superior.
And Keppe has added significantly to our understanding of this. In his extraordinary book, Universal Man, available in English now, thanks to an intense translation process that Keppe Motor co-inventor Cesar Soós and I went through, In this incredible book, Keppe talks about a "disinverted metaphysics that considers complete things, not partial things. That nature would consist of complete systems from day one, not incomplete systems mutating and adapting over time to become perfect.
This is actually quite revolutionary because it means that nature contains the entire process. The homeostasis within itself were not built with part of the process and then developed the other parts along the way. The chicken and the egg then come together and kept his universal metaphysics to form a complete thing. Complete since the beginning."
Taking this to another analogy, the bird then has wings from the moment of the first bird because it's an animal that flies, designed to fly. The bird doesn't fly because it develops wings over time. It has wings because it flies. Wings are inherent to the bird's design. This is beautiful stuff that applies disinverted metaphysics to lead us to the consideration of God again in science, something that's long overdue.
Well, when we come back, we're going to look at the implications of all this divine science in proposals from the Keppe Motor for Real Plus 20. That's when we return on Thinking with Somebody Else's Head on the Stop Radio Network. Thank you for
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Richard: I'm Richard Lloyd Jones.
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Richard: actual event is the 20th to the 22nd, right? I don't know the actual... I think, yeah, there's many side events. It's hard to keep track of the
Cláudia Bernhardt Pacheco: websites. A lot of side events. We know that the People's Summit will be from the 15th to the 23rd
Richard: of June. People's Summit from the 15th to the 23rd.
And I think the actual main General Assembly is the 20th to the 22nd of June, 2012. But it's a lot of things going on, huh? A lot, a lot. We're in the middle of our conversation now, by the way. You're on Thinking with Somebody
Else's Head and I thought we would do something different just to have you join in
Cláudia: the middle of a conversation.
We're having a very um dynamic pre-recording discussion, Cláudia and I, yes,
Richard: about what's happening in in
Cláudia: Rio. It's
Richard: exciting. Yes, real plus 20. Yes, the 20th anniversary of the 1992 United Nations Conference on Environment and Development. So we will be
Cláudia: there. You know why? Because all nations, all governments, all governmental representatives have been meeting for 20 years and did they arrive to any, anything new, any good proposal, any real
Richard: meaningful step forward to save the planet?
Yes or not, Richard? No of course not but stop did we are Paris plus 20 this year in June we are Paris plus 20 our 20th anniversary Which is the 20th anniversary of STOP. And we got to the best proposal possible, as we understand, to save the planet and the environment. Let me build up for this, though, Cláudia, because I want to lay a bit of groundwork.
Yes,
Cláudia: please, you do this wonderfully.
Richard: Okay, because I was watching in preparation for all of this that's happening. I was working with this in my class last night, and I started to think, Wow. There's an enormous argument now from environmentalists, from environmentalists, pro-nuclear energy. And I don't know if you've been watching, if you've been noticing this at all, but environmentalists are jumping on the bandwagon of nuclear energy, including a debate I saw yesterday on TED Talks.
It's an old, it was a debate held before Fukushima, I don't know what his opinion is now, by Stuart Brand, the founder of the Whole Earth Catalog, one of the pioneers of the environmental movement. Speaking very positively about nuclear energy. So, I was trying to figure out, what is their argument here? And there's a couple of pillars. One, they are totally concerned about global warming.
This, we don't know how much of this is real kind of science that's been spread around, but for sure there's something happening globally. In terms of the environment, in terms of global warming. And their idea is that the global warming problem is the more serious problem that needs to be addressed today. And the cause of global warming is almost totally, they're saying, fossil fuel combustion, burning of coal, particularly.
So because of this, almost solely because of this, Cláudia, they're saying that nuclear energy is the only alternative we've got.
Cláudia: For them. Yeah, exactly. Not for us.
Richard: Not for us, no. And so this led me to think, and I was talking to my students about this last night. Look, guys, everybody is lost inside this Einsteinian idea that energy comes from material. If we're locked in there, then we have no way out.
So then we have to split atoms. We have to find new particles that we can burn or explode or to extract the energy from that. And we can't go anywhere. Yes. So I was saying to my students, look at the debate that's happening now. You have the one guy saying we need nuclear energy because we can't burn coal anymore. We have the other side saying, but we need to build huge wind generators over an area of Earth the size of the United States of America.
Both of these are totally crazy ideas. And so I started to say to my students, but look, we're locked into a philosophy of technology that we've never questioned. And we have here in the STOP the Destruction of the World Association, here in our little language school millennium, which is not a little language school, it's actually enormous in terms of what it does in the world.
And I put on the Keppe Motor documentary for them to watch, because here, inside Stop and inside Norberto Keppe's
Cláudia: work, there's been a disinversion of physics. Yes.
Richard: Is there any way you can talk a little bit about that before we
Cláudia: start? This morning, I will tell you something very personal, as you like. I love this. And some of our listeners like to
Richard: enjoy it, too, and enjoy it, too.
But
Cláudia: this morning, I was swimming with Dr. Keppe. Exercising so he can have better health to continue his wonderful work,
Richard: important work, vital work.
Cláudia: And I was asking him, Keppe, how come, how people in the planet will realize that such an important invention, such an important move forward in the scientific realm and technological, a
Richard: leap forward, not a move, a leap,
Cláudia: a giant huge jump, would come from a scientist which presently is not linked to any university? He, because you know Dr Capi was always an academic in the beginning of his or the until 30 years ago and now he's he's in his 84 and so until 30 years ago more or less.
He was totally engaged in
Richard: the academic
Cláudia: world.
He was teaching. He was teaching in the major universities in São Paulo and in some other universities. He was invited to teach in many universities, not only in Brazil, but abroad. And he was studying with Viktor Frankl and the major psychoanalysts for three years in Vienna. And he was invited by a Freudian assistant, Dr.
Arikian, in New York City to found his own scientific society there to train psychoanalysts.
Cláudia: And so when we went there, I was teaching, giving classes in NYU and in City University of New York. Sure. And we held many conferences in other academic schools. Like in Boston, in Connecticut, in Cornell. Well, we were in Los Angeles and in San Francisco. So we were all around in academic circles, in Europe, in many universities.
So it's a lie when people say that this work does not belong to academic circles. It belongs to academic circles.
Richard: Dr. Keppe was always teaching. Sure, I read Dr. Keppe's thesis. His thesis is in English.
Cláudia: It's extraordinarily academically sound. And you know something? When he realized that he could not go forward in his science inside the academic circles, because there are strings...
It's
Richard: a straight jacket.
Straight jacket
Cláudia: in terms of ideas, Because Mr. Rockefeller,
Richard: he... We talked about last week.
Cláudia: Yes. Now he holds the power of American Medical Association, which is not only American. It became international. American Psychological Association, which became international. So all the universities now, they follow the American standards of teaching. So, you know, Dr. Keppe realized he should, not only he could, but he should be independent if he wanted to be totally honest in the work he developed.
So he was very courageous and he moved ahead with his followers. And here we have very intelligent individuals joining him in his researches. We cannot say that the engineers, for instance, that pursued the research on the capimotor technology, they were not also engaged in the main academic centers of the world. We have them very well connected to the main academic centers.
And we still have individuals that are inside
Richard: the academic world, but they join us in this independent, totally independent field of research. And the necessity to be independent is very important. You're absolutely right. You
Cláudia: don't have to fit the guidelines that are coming from a very old mentality. If someone funds you, if he's paying for your research, they will tell you what they want you to do or not.
And if you find out something that is going against their interests, you cannot pursue that. Yeah. This is normal. Yeah. So, what we see in the world, and this morning I was telling Keppe, how come people will understand when we speak about Keppe motor technology? How come people will see this incredible, groundbreaking invention that is not coming from Harvard or MIT or...
Richard: How will people accept this, right?
How will people take this on?
Cláudia: The main centers.
Richard: Yeah. Any of the main centers.
Cláudia: CERN in Switzerland or anything. And coming from a private society, scientific society in Brazil. Yeah. And how come? And he said, "but did you pay attention, Cláudia, that the majority of the big inventions and inventors were always disconnected from universities?
Richard: The established centers.
Cláudia: Yes. The true professors, they not necessarily gave the best contributions, even Einstein.
So, like Tesla, he was always independent. Thomas Edison, the person who invented the radio. And all this Marconi and all this now I put your brains to work, try to remember the true important inventions, the move aheads ahead, the moves ahead, the leap
Richard: forward. Yeah,
Cláudia: they were generally coming from independent inventors. Yes, right, right, there was no
Richard: Harvard when
Cláudia: the wheel was created for example."
Exactly. And
Richard: of course Edison was totally outside the and what about the motor and what about the
Cláudia: motor like Mercedes and Benz and all those people, the airplane and the airplane with our Santos Dumont. He was not an academic teacher. No. So uh this is
Richard: fundamental what you're talking about. This is very
Cláudia: interesting. Now it's absolutely essential that people that are listening our program that they understand this because they say oh who is this Dr Keppe?
Is he teaching? Where is he teaching? Are these researches or this technology, is it linked to a major university or a research center? Of course not.
Richard: And a good thing.
Cláudia: And it's a good thing, and of course not.
Richard: It could not be. Very good.
Cláudia: So people have to put their brains to work and understand that. If the nations realize what this Keppe technology brings to the world, a totally new form of capturing energy, and not from matter, but from the space.
Richard: Okay, let's come back and talk about that. We should take our break. Okay. If we do that, then we'll have a chance to really dig into this more. Thinking with Somebody Else's Head is on the Stop Radio Network. We're very proud to be here, and we're back in just a moment for more on the Keppe Motor. Exciting technology. Just ahead of the Rio 20.
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And I think our program today, Cláudia, you're going to touch on something. Last week we talked about the decay of the American dream, and now we're talking about something that's essential, which is this transformation in how we capture energy. Einstein's theory, E equals mc squared. Energy equals matter times the speed of light squared. This has driven our technological philosophy for the last hundred years.
And there's a fundamental mistake in Einstein's brilliant thinking. Obviously, he was a very intelligent guy. Is that energy and material are equivalent in this formula. If you take matter out of the formula, you have no energy. So?
Cláudia: So Keppe brought the understanding and the technology that he developed from the new physics that, the theories that he wrote in the book, New Physics, is already measured.
It's already certified as far ahead the most efficient form of motors. And we can go up to, you know, in the experiments, up to 99%. Efficiency. Efficiency, which is absolutely astonishing.
Richard: Yes, it is.
Cláudia: And so, but let's stay still in a more general way of understanding things. So this way of capturing energy will save all the fossil and all the other forms of material source of energy, which means that we will leave the nature and the planet to recover, to survive.
We will not be finishing, extenuando.
Richard: Yeah, extinguishing.
Cláudia: Extinguishing all the sources of
Richard: energy possible. And this is important to say this before you launch into this, Cláudia. This comes from Keppe's great discovery in psychology and philosophy of inversion. So this idea of Einstein that energy comes from material, that energy and material are equivalent, this is an inverted idea. And you know,
Cláudia: all the philosophers and all the scientists have the same idea.
Richard: Yeah, this is everywhere.
Cláudia: So it's not only Einstein's mistake,
Richard: but it's even Aristotle's mistake. Yeah. This was formed in this formula of Einstein was sort of concretized, you know, put into concrete inside our technological philosophy. But if this is an incomplete idea, then we have another philosophy. And this is beautiful.
Cláudia: Yeah. So, and around all this technology and philosophy, there is a sociotherapy around and sociopathology around.
We will have very soon, in June, starting from the 15th until the 23rd, the People's Summit, which will be held in Rio de Janeiro this year, coming June.
Richard: 2012. At
Cláudia: the same time, when the governments and the government representatives will be discussing Rio Mais Vinte, which is Rio plus 20, they will discuss and discuss and discuss the sex of the angels because they don't arrive to anything real tangible.
And sorry to say that. It's true. But they don't know how to do this. They don't have the answer. And we can say we got to the answer, to the major answer. And you that are listening to our programs, you must enter our site, www.keppimotor.org or www.keppimotor.com. And you will understand some of this technology. And, you know, we will be there. We will be in People's Summit because the theme, the main theme for the summit, which is also organized by UN, is for social and environmental justice.
So what does this mean? That peoples, they don't have energy for themselves. It's a totally unjust, unfair world where only the rich and the powerful have energy, like electricity or energy. And the poorest areas, they don't have even light in their homes. They don't have any. They don't have electricity or power to put their pumps to work in order to pull water from beneath.
Richard: They're walking six, seven kilometers to get water every
Cláudia: day. Yeah, and all this, everybody could have energy in their homes. With this new technology. With this new technology. And this is totally possible, totally, totally possible and present. And the technology is ready. It's ready. It's just a matter of nations applying this to their own benefit. Now, you that are listening to us, if you have the interest to save nature, to save environment, to save your your future generations, to save your own health because by the way electricity is not a healthy thing but magnetism is and these motors they use much more magnetism, much much more magnetism than electricity and this pure essential energy which balance helps to harmonize the the energy of the environment.
So if and it doesn't pollute. It doesn't pollute at all.
Richard: It harmonizes. It doesn't create side effects.
Cláudia: So we should start really looking at this seriously. And you should start asking your mayors, your...
Richard: Elected officials.
Cláudia: Elected officials, why and how are they going to work with this new technology?
Richard: Which is beautiful, because, you know, in all that I'm seeing of the debate, pro and con of nuclear and coal and all these things, it's just as you said, they go round and round and round inside the same problem.
So as Einstein said, he was a smart thinker, he said, "you can't solve a problem at the level at which you created it. We need to have another philosophy. And this Keppe motor brings this, that energy doesn't come from the material.
Cláudia: People, this is so different. This is so different and so, like, break."
Help me.
Richard: It's such a breakthrough.
Cláudia: It's a breakthrough. That people don't, they don't realize this is true. And what is this? So I invite you to read the book. Well, reading the book, they will not understand that
Richard: much. No, but I've got some things posted, Cláudia, on my Scribd account. Yeah. You can go to Scribd Rich Jones Voice, and there you will see a number of documents I published from both Keppe's New Physics and from the ABC of the New Physics.
And our text from the ABC of the New Physics, Cláudia, has over 8,000 reads on this Scribd site. Wonderful.
Cláudia: Yeah, there's lots of good information there. And so people ask, like another day, the other day an American came to me and asked, "but did you talk to American academic circles to see what do they think about this new technology? What do they think about it?"
I said, "how come American or any other academic circles would admit that everything they are doing is not only like backwatered, but it's wrong in many ways. So it will be very difficult for them to do that. And industries, they will have to change all the machinery, everything to start a new technology. And this is not a bad thing. It's a way to start a totally new form of sustainable economy, giving jobs to thousands and millions of people that are now jobless.
So this would bring even solution for economic dead ends that people have.
Richard: Industries now.
Cláudia: Yeah, all industries, agriculture, anything. So I invite you also to come to Brazil to see in our laboratories. And now, as industries are so timid to start buying new machinery, to build this new technology, that we are starting ourselves with our simple, humble industry of ventilators to start
Richard: fans that are artisanato."
Yeah, they're handmade. They're handmade.
Cláudia: Handcrafted. Handcrafted. And they work, and they are wonderful, and they are very strong and
Richard: solid, and they are endurable. Yeah, they're durable. Durable.
Cláudia: They last. They last for years, and they save more than 70% energy.
Richard: There's no planned obsolescence here. These last for as long as the thing lasts. So what did
Cláudia: we do? We are starting a small industry, and we are giving jobs for people.
So we provide, we favorecemos também.
Richard: We're favoring.
Cláudia: We're favoring social inclusion, as we say in Portuguese. Exactly. Inclusão
Richard: social. Yeah, include people from
Cláudia: all different cultures, all different walks of life. And people who don't have, people who are jobless, they come and they work and they can improve their economy too. So it's something that if the powerful are not interested in, because they will not be able to charge for this energy that comes from the space.
But it will bring more development even for industries, other industries, that they spend so much energy, so much money in the bills, the
Richard: powerful bills, the electric bills. Electric bills,
Cláudia: utility bills. So they will save also this. So I understand that if there is still something, some amount of sensibleness.
Richard: Sensibleness. People are sensible.
Cláudia: If people are sensible
Richard: enough.
Cláudia: They'll start to think about it.
They will start to think about that. And we will be in Rio with our lectures in this People's Summit. One, speaking about the liberation of the peoples, pathology of power, two, and the Capimotor as a liberation for the peoples. And also a place, this small city where we are starting this industry and these programs, these trilogical programs of social inclusion and trilogical sociotherapy.
So if people want to come and to learn or just to see or even to participate, to join us, they can, of course.
And we are in our sites, www.kepepacheco.com, where we have some of the information.
So, we invite everybody. We will be selling this
Richard: beautiful Art Deco handmade, wood handmade ventilators, table ventilators. Imagine, wood handmade Art Deco fans, table fans. You know why they can be made of wood? Yes, because they don't get hot. Because
Cláudia: the motors are cold.
They don't heat up.
Richard: Because they're not using electricity in the way that normal motors do. Yeah. That's a revolution.
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