Richard Lloyd Jones: I'm Richard Lloyd Jones, and welcome to Thinking with Somebody Else's Head. We're broadcasting from the International Society of Analytical Trilogy in São Paulo, Brazil, our very nice studio down here, where we dig in every week to offer you our analysis about the world we live in, and especially how we've gotten so off track, particularly over the last century. This is not always comfortable consciousness that we bring.
It's a little harrowing to hear about the pit we've dug ourselves into. But we are hardly the first to shine the light on the decadence all around us. In 1917, three young Portuguese shepherds were visited over the course of six months by an apparition of the Blessed Virgin Mary. She also did not bring comforting news. But she did bring a clear vision of what was going on and what was required of us if we wanted to survive it.
And I think we would do well to heed her advice here in 2011, to humble ourselves and change our ways. And trust that goodness will triumph. A call to a life of goodness, truth, and beauty today on Thinking with Somebody Else's Head. Welcome to our program.
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You know, it's not so often you're going to hear me make reference to a mystic event like the vision of the Holy Mother that I was alluding to in the opening.
My mother is sitting with mouth agape as we speak, if she's listening. She had the religious upbringing, not me, and I can assure you I step into these mystical waters with deep respect but considerable humility as well. I never thought of myself as a particularly esoteric personality, actually. Although my ten years of study with Norberto Keppe's Analytical Trilogy, this beautiful union of science, philosophy, and theology, have certainly prepped me to be more open to the spiritual phenomena, to the point where, as the student of life that I am, I must concede to the great faith of the millions who have had more tangible experiences with divine sightings and things of that sort.
I've grown into a believer, you could say, not from some relevatory life-changing epiphany, but from deliberate study in psychosociopathology that includes a healthy consideration of the well-reported miracles and unexplained occurrences that didn't inhabit our scientific textbooks, but should. Dr. Cláudia Bernhardt Pacheco and Dr. Norberto Keppe have been my guides on this rather unexpected journey. It was certainly not on the sights list when I began my tour some ten years ago.
And let me reiterate that Drs. Pacheco and Keppe have always adhered to the rigors of science in their work. They study what is brought to them by their many clients, and they confirm that at the heart of man's search for meaning and sense is a spiritual quest. We all, in fact, are questing to understand those deepest questions, and these are never strictly material considerations.
When Keppe wrote The Universe of the Spirits about five years ago, I had the great fortune to work on the translation into English with my good friend Cesar Soós. The solid grounding in science and practical psychology and spirituality in that book gave me the courage to open the door to considering the influence of the spiritual world on our modern society. It was eye-opening and frankly breathtaking.
It gave me the consciousness to be able to analyze iconic movies like The Exorcist and The Omen, which I'd stayed away from like the plague ever since my college roommate spent a week of sleepless nights after watching The Exorcist, and to read seminal books like Malachi Martin's Hostage to the Devil, where he describes and analyzes five well-documented cases of exorcism. And holding my hand, so to speak, through all of this were Drs.
Pacheco and Keppe, whose scientific solidity gave me the trustworthy base to step out from.
You can check out our Applied Trilogical Science section on that website for more about Keppe's view of spirituality. It's fascinating, groundbreaking, and essential listening and reading for our 21st century.
We're going to bite in a little more on our show today about spiritual phenomena and what's happening in the world today When we come back, Dr. Cláudia Bernhardt Pacheco will offer us a call to a life of goodness, truth, and beauty, and a lot more. We're coming back in just a moment. Don't go away. You are, of course, listening to Thinking with Somebody Else's Head.
I'm Richard Lloyd Jones, and we are, of course, always in the presence of Dr. Cláudia Bernhardt Pacheco. It's always wonderful to have you here.
Cláudia Bernhardt Pacheco: Not, of course. I might not be here. Well.
Richard: Who knows? It's true. Well, you are here. Who knows about the future and et cetera. It's going to live up to when. This is a question mark for everybody nowadays, isn't it?
Everybody's speaking about Nibiru and Elenin and other things. We saw the movie Melancholy on the weekend about the planet that is on the way to crashing with
Cláudia: us. So everybody's speaking so much about disgraces all over and economic problems and recession and financial crisis and Elenin and Nibiru. And I would like to speak a little bit about how could we do or how should we live our lives meanwhile.
Good. Very good. How we could live our lives. How could we handle our lives meanwhile with so many problems? Especially, you know, Richard, I have been thinking about the young people. Yeah. I heard on the radio and on TV that the Pope decided to fix for 2013 the date for the gathering of the Catholic youth, young people coming from all over South America.
Well,
Richard: you know South America is
Cláudia: far ahead, the most Catholic continent. So, Benedict XVI, the Pope, decided to do the gathering of the youth, Catholic youth, in Rio de Janeiro.
Richard: Is this an annual thing he does?
Cláudia: No, not annual. I don't
Richard: think so. All right, okay. But
Cláudia: he decided to fix it in 2013 in Rio de Janeiro.
Richard: A lot of things happening in Brazil these next few years, huh?
Cláudia: Yes. So many things. I wonder what is happening there.
Richard: We have the Olympics, we
Cláudia: have the World Cup, football, we have this gathering. So we have so many things. So I go back to these ideas of my own book, the História Secreta do Brasil, the Secret History of Brazil, where I gathered many, many prophecies and forecasts from many centuries and many, many centuries ago.
Richard: About Brazil. About
Cláudia: Brazil and its future to lead humanity for a better world and a better life and a better planet and in universal spirituality. So I was wondering, why did the Pope choose Brazil? And it's right after this December 21st, 2012, right? So whatever
Richard: happens, whatever
happens, what is left, he hopes will
Cláudia: be in Brazil in 2013. If he has this in his mind, because of course, when he spoke about the third secret of Fatima, He said that it didn't end.
The happenings of the third secret are on their way.
Richard: They're underway. They're happening now. Yeah, they're underway. They're occurring now as we speak.
Cláudia: Yeah, so they didn't finish. So some people... Do
Richard: we need to say what this is for people who don't know much about...
Cláudia: Well, you can do that. The
Richard: third secret of Fatima was a vision she had of the Holy Mother a long time
Cláudia: ago.
You want me to explain this because I think,
Richard: I suppose you don't know that much about it. I don't know much about it at all.
Cláudia: Well, I'm not a theologian, but everybody was expecting this third secret of Fatima to be revealed. Not only Catholics, because the first secret and the second secret, they confirmed themselves of being truthful. So what the Holy Mother forecasted, previewed, happened.
The First World War, the Second World War, and other things. Now, what would be the third secret that was... It was supposed to be revealed around the 60s of last century and the popes decided they would not reveal. So it was not only in the end of the century, I suppose it was year 2000 or 2000 and something, that the pope decided to reveal the content of this third secret of Fatima.
So the Holy Mother appeared to three pastorinhos, three shepherds, very young children, and she revealed
some secrets. When was this, Cláudia?
Richard: In 1917, I guess, last century. Around the time of the Russian Revolution. Yes,
Cláudia: and she spoke about the Russian Revolution and if Russians, Soviets and Marxism, that Russian people or government could bring a lot of suffering for humanity. And it happened.
So she also spoke about the Second World War. And she spoke about something that was terrible, horrible, on the Third Secret. And it was so much horrible that the Pope decided not to reveal it. Who was the Pope at that time? João XXIII opened the secret. John XXIII opened the secret. And after him, it was Paul VI. And so, John XXIII, he said he would not want to cause...
He used a term like sensationalism. You
Richard: wouldn't want to create sensationalism around the world.
Cláudia: So imagine if this third secret was even worse than the first and the second and would cause panic and sensationalism. The content should be something horrible. So everybody was waiting for this, for expecting to have the revelation because the Holy Mother asked and she insisted that this secret should be revealed and the popes decided not to do this.
Richard: This is not such a good decision, is
Cláudia: it? Well, they decided because they had their own ideas about it. But this created a lot of frustration and revolt amongst many Catholics. Not only likes, lay people, but also religious bishops. And they wanted the Holy Mother to be respected and be obeyed. So they formed some associations to study the third secret. And they were like trying to discover, to uncover some pieces and see what would be the connection.
And Malachi Martin was many times being interviewed because he read The Third Secret himself. He was amongst the closest advisors, very
Richard: inner
Cláudia: circle of the Vatican. So he read The Secret.
Richard: Malachi Martin, just for who are listening, was a Catholic priest who was a
Cláudia: Jesuit priest. And an exorcist. And an exorcist, and a very good exorcist. And author of many books
Richard: about the Vatican, etc., etc.
Who met Dr. Keppe and Dr. Cláudia Pacheco in New York. He was sort of sent by God, he said, to go and give a message. So he's a prominent religious figure. Yeah, he's very,
Cláudia: very... He's dead now. Well known. He died, yeah. Some people say he was murdered. But he said, he used to say, that he could not reveal the secret because he was under oath, right?
But if someone would tell him or ask him directly, is this the content of the third secret, he would say yes or not. And this happened in many interviews, when people started to ask him about the content. And you can be sure that it was not something so simple as described by the Pope. The thing is much, much worse. And this was not still revealed.
That's why some religious people are still affirming, attesting that they don't believe that this is at least the full content of the secret. And some of them even say it was distorted.
Richard: Who released this? This latest pope was the one who released the content
Cláudia: now? He was Pope John Paul II, but in his very last days or months of his life. He
Richard: was very, very sick.
He was very sick for a long time. And what did he say with the contents of this hymn? He
Cláudia: said nothing. He was not even able to speak. He was so sick. So we wonder if it was himself that did that. Some people wonder. I'm not wondering myself. I don't have conditions to do this. But some people wonder if they launched it during a time when the Pope could not see what was being released or could not even judge.
He was so sick that he was kind of outside of the...
Richard: Delirious almost, maybe.
Cláudia: He
Richard: had a severe sickness.
Cláudia: So he's not able, in charge, fully in charge of his conditions, his capacities. So
Richard: what we know about this Third Secret is that it was...
Cláudia: Well, you can have access for the Third Secret of Fatima on the Internet and you will find a lot of things.
And you will find even the official content of the Vatican. And you will find some sites led by serious religious people, priests, bishops, that are not agreeing with this kind of revelation.
Richard: It's been minimized in some
Cláudia: ways. Official revelation. Yeah, yeah. And there is even a very interesting one with the analysis of the calligraphia.
Richard: Calligraphy, the handwriting, I guess.
Cláudia: The handwriting of the nun, Lucia, who wrote herself the secret.
So they compare the writing and go ahead and look very quickly, because this site might be vanished, gone. They do an interesting analysis by the calligraphia of the first and the second writings, and this that they claim is hers. Right. And there's a
Richard: difference. And
there are differences, evident differences. So this is a huge mystery. Everything is a mystery. So now going back
Cláudia: to this decision.
Would the Pope know that something is being expected for the year 2012? 2012. Would be this a hit of some sort of planet or asteroid or something?
Richard: Or entrance into the
Cláudia: atmosphere in some way. Because Malachi Martin always spoke about catastrophes, severe catastrophes. He spoke about the New World Order being something very, very evil, with the agreement of most of the governments and hidden governments, that this would cause a tremendous suffering for the planet.
But he spoke about something which I can sense very much. He spoke about the ever-growing domination of the spirit of darkness in the planet, which we could name apostasia, apostasy. Which is almost the absence of God in society, in this humanity, like the feeling of the absence of God and the feeling of the power of Lucifer and the darkness and evil ever growing, ever growing to such an extent that people would...
He said, I would not have to go through this because this will be the most painful sensation, much worse than any possible physical catastrophe.
Richard: Yeah, okay.
Cláudia: And we can sense this.
Richard: Yeah, we can.
Cláudia: The absence of God, which is the absence of goodness, the absence of truth, the absence of justice, the absence of beauty, of life, energy.
Richard: Let's talk more about this when we come back.
This is Thinking with Somebody Else's Head. We'll have an antidote for this, don't worry. We're talking about the situation, but we also want to talk about what we can do about this, which is crucial for us. We're back in just a moment, don't go away. Thinking with Somebody Else's Head, Richard Lloyd Jones with Cláudia Bernhardt Pacheco, and Bob Butler is joining us again today.
And Cláudia, you know, when you talk about this, I was thinking this morning. I was thinking, remembering, when I was living in New York before I came to Brazil, and having a sense that what I was doing needed to change, because I felt in a kind of a deep way the end of the way business as usual, as we say in English.
And continue to do business as usual. And I was looking for, what am I going to do? Because where I'm going, the way I'm walking, the way the world is going, is going nowhere. So when I discovered your work and Dr. Keppe's work, I was very encouraged. Because I thought, okay, well here's a place where something good is happening. We're sort of an antidote to all of this walking down the blind alley, which is what I felt my life was.
And so when you're talking now about the third secret of Fatima, Malachi Martin and the popes and these visions, I remember that. And maybe many of us feel that and don't know how to put it into words, you know, that we're at the end of something. We're walking down a blind alley, and we can't keep going that way. There's no way out.
Cláudia: Yes. So many people write books about what is going to happen, the disgraces and the catastrophes, will be the end, will not be the end, and the end of the world. My intention in my work, and in this book I wrote, about the secret history of Brazil and the millennium, millennium,
Richard: right? The third millennium, the
Cláudia: fifth empire. The third millennium. So I'm not looking for disgraces, because we have them already.
And we have many books speaking about these possibilities. But I wrote about what will come next, what probably will come next, because of some of the prophecies of Jesus Christ himself, of many prophets and many spiritual people from the West and from the East, Eastern and Western wise people and religious people, what they forecasted to. So everybody is forecasting a time when there will be peace in the earth, there will be God ruling the earth and the planet.
And all of them are waiting for this. So that's why when I heard this Pope speaking about this, and right after I read an article about the decision of the Rio de Janeiro governor, when he knew about the decision of the Pope, he said something that I found so, so clever, so smart. And this could only come from a Brazilian politician. He was, I suppose, in a situation where he would be put under questioning.
Are you going to spend so much money to receive only Catholic young people in Brazil, when so many Brazilian young children and young people are starving to death. So what about other peoples and other religions? How would they react? I wonder if that he was thinking about this, that it was not wise for him to do this commitment with the Pope. But then he said...
Richard: Look at the dilemma, political dilemma.
Cláudia: A political dilemma.
Richard: Oh, my gosh. Do
Cláudia: you know what
Richard: he said? No, I don't want to hear what he said. He said, wonderful, wonderful, wonderful idea to bring all the Catholic young people, but also to bring all young people from all religions from the world to be together under Jesus, the Redeemer. On the mountain, everybody knows the statue
Cláudia: of Christ there, yes.
In Corcovado Mountain.
Richard: Yeah, Corcovado Mountain.
Cláudia: So he said, wonderful idea. So Jesus Christ, with his open arms, will receive all the young people, not only Christians, but all the others too. We will have them all together, united, like in a union of hope and happiness and joy being protected by the arms and the spirit of Jesus Cristo, the Redeemer. Jesus Christ,
Richard: the Redeemer, which is the giant statue that guards over Rio de
Cláudia: Janeiro.
So you see how beautiful he handled the thing. And so this is a personality of Brazilian people. We could never be religious fanatics or racists or any sort of kind of rejection of groups and religions.
Richard: This is the least xenophobic country I know.
Cláudia: Yes. So we have here people from all over the countries, all religions, all creeds. And not
Richard: just here, but welcomed here.
Not just here,
Cláudia: yeah, like part of the community. So imagine now, Richard, Jesus Christ spoke about some kingdom that would come after these atrocities being performed. The Holy Mother spoke about this and said, my heart will prevail. The Immaculate Heart will prevail. And not only this, but as I said, many other Eastern and Western spiritual people. We'll
Richard: come together in a way, right?
Cláudia: We'll come together in the same objective, in the same goal. So I'm more dedicated to see what can we do of good. Meanwhile, when we are witnessing disgraces and catastrophes and wondering what will happen, what will be out of this, all this crisis, economic crisis and new world order that is behind all this financial crisis and things getting worse and worse here, worse there.
But we know in the end what is going to come. And what is going to come cannot be in any way similar to what we have now. Otherwise, the disgrace would perpetuate again and again and again. So we need a new society
Richard: based on other ethical values, as you mentioned in
Cláudia: the beginning of the program. And the young people from today will be building this new kingdom in the future.
That's why I address many times my speeches for those who are the young people who still have ideals and who can build a kingdom of justice.
Richard: Beautiful. Bob and I were considering in our class, business English class last night, about ethics. And we had a text of you and Dr. Keppe from your radio show called Why Doing Good is Necessary for Our Mental and Physical Health.
We were considering this as the sort of, you know, because it's when you start talking about ethics, you talk about individual situations, which are very difficult to analyze. What would you do in this situation? You have ten candidates for a job, one's a woman, nine are a man, and you know, these kinds of ethical questions are what usually get asked in ethics classes.
But we were trying to, Bob and I were trying to draw a bigger picture and say, but wait a minute, there's a kind of a universal spirit that we have to think about if we're talking about ethics. We have to start aligning ourselves with a more universal sense of goodness.
Cláudia: And children and young people have a lot to contribute. Yes. Because they are not interested in institutions.
They are not interested in those false laws as the adults want or masks, social masks. They are more interested in being happy, in loving and sharing happiness and doing the good for their fellow man. Now we see many being taught to be violent, taught to be aggressive, taught to be unethical, but they still preserve a sense of fairness, of the desire to live a fair life for everybody.
So we still see this.
Richard: Yes, and Dr. Keppe says in his text, he says that really to have a healthy life, We need an enthusiasm for goodness. I love
Cláudia: this phrase. And only young people have this enthusiasm. Keppe, in his book, Liberation of the People, Pathology of Power, he used to say, don't trust people above 30,
Richard: as the musicians used to sing in the
Cláudia: 60s.
Of course, now we're all over 30, so we can't. We are all. But we can have.
Richard: We can understand the spirit of what they were talking about there. And then Dr. Keppe said something incredible. Here that we should use our will contrary to how we have been using it. That is, we should use our will to dedicate ourselves to the well-being of humanity.
And this really strikes me. When you're talking about ethics, this just draws a whole bigger, much bigger circle, you know, like contributing in some way to a better society. This is what you want from young people. Well, from we old people, too.
Cláudia: They want, but they don't have any means to do this. When they
Richard: enter the life of
Cláudia: an adult society, so they have to perform jobs and obligations and fulfill requirements of the law, and these requirements make them be hypocritical, be unfair, egotistic, sometimes violent, teach them they must kill their fellowmen to protect their country under this pretext of protecting their country, but in reality they are protecting the money, the savings or the money and the richness of a few hand of people, rich people in the planet.
So they are giving their lives to protect these millionaires. So they feel, they sense there is something really wrong. But they need to survive and they have their teachers, their parents, the priests, the rabbis, the pastors, all the authorities telling them how they have to perform. Otherwise they go to jail, they have no chances, they will have no money, they cannot have a family, they have no place in society.
So there is not much chances for them.
Richard: Very difficult, isn't it? Very
Cláudia: difficult. So what do they do? Do you remember when you went to college? During college you still have some life left inside of you. But as soon as you graduate and you take your diploma and you say goodbye to your friends, You say, not only you say goodbye to your friends, but you say goodbye to many important things like freedom, hope, sincerity.
Richard: Yeah, you
Cláudia: hope,
Richard: yeah. You enter the world then and, oh, it's no looking back. This is why maybe people feel so nostalgic about the past, hey? Yeah. They miss
Cláudia: that. That's right.
Richard: So we are here in...
Cláudia: But this was not supposed to be like this. No, of course
Richard: not. Yes, of
Cláudia: course. And this is absolutely not supposed to be like this. This is the kingdom of evil.
This is the upside-down order of the world where every law, every social structure is built to hide, to crush the true human nature, which is not this.
Richard: The way out of this, then, Cláudia, reading books, listening to our radio programs, and really starting to take some action, doing, and you have
Cláudia: to have courage to say to break up with the society, with the traditional society, and live a true society.
Now this morning I was attending a client in Sweden and she gives lectures of Trilogy in Sweden but she was so discouraged because she said, okay, now I'm in Sweden, I'm Swedish, I have a good audience, I make my money here, I make a good money giving my lectures, but I miss so much Brazil and the trilogical structure. She has her children here, her grandchildren here now, and she was saying, my God, every time I come back to Sweden, I see more and more materialism, more and more...
Selfishness? Yes, and atheism.
Richard: Ah, atheism.
Cláudia: Atheism. They are forming clubs and societies to protect it, to enhance the power of atheism. And she feels such a poor kind of environment.
Richard: Everybody just thinking about sensorial and physical things. Because an atheistic must do what? I'm, yeah, exactly. They have no other way. I'm going to Canada in a couple of days, so I'll be able to report from there about my experience, too, and what happens there.
I
Cláudia: want to invite something in the third part of the podcast.
Richard: Okay, we're coming back in just a moment for this invitation from Cláudia on Thinking with Somebody Else's Head. Don't go away.
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We really need to get the word out, and we have a good message to give. Dr. Keppe said, maybe Dr. Keppe, maybe Jesus said too, if we have too much fascination with our world the way it is today, look out. You have to, you know, if we're too addicted to what we see in the world today, we're not part of this new idea that you're talking about.
What is your invitation? What do you want to invite
Cláudia: us to? So I was talking to this client, and she was saying, how come, how will it be, not only in material terms in society, but how will it be, the future for this country? I'm Swedish. I would love to see my country not dying like this. The Swedish soul is dying, not only in theological terms, but in terms of arts, in terms of excitement about life and doing good and developing the country.
So now it's only money, money, money, and material things and traveling. And it's a kind of travel that is so poor, just material and eating and seeing and eating up the world and not bringing anything to the world. So people are getting fatter and fatter every day because they not only eat the world, but they eat also a lot of food, and they don't do anything pleasurable for themselves.
Really, really, really. So that would calm them down, because they are very anxious, they take a lot of antidepressants, so this is just a mask that they are okay. If they need so much drugs, alcohol, and antidepressants, it's a sign that things are not okay as they they would like to say they are okay. So I told her "if you find amongst your your attendees in your lectures someone who is who is wanting to know something different, how the life could be in a different way, because she said trilogy could only be in Brazil, because the what you do, what you perform, the schools, the enterprises, the residences, the TV shows, the lectures, everything you do in Brazil could not be done in other countries because they are so fanatic, so rigid that they would not understand."
So I told her if there is something or someone left with life still in your country. And if they want to learn something different from what they have in Sweden, and later to bring back to their country, they could come down
Richard: to apply first, of course. Can we invite some Canadians, too? Yes, you
Cláudia: can invite
Richard: them. And
Cláudia: Bob, some Americans? Because Brazil, it's really different from other countries.
So some people can come here and study and stay for three months, six months. And later, if they want to stay, they can apply for a resident visa or for a permission to stay. It's not that difficult. So Brazil is an open country. So if people who are studying would like to participate and to learn more, they could apply to see if they can come down and participate in practice.
In this work and learn what is this science about, because this science can bring a lot of hope and new things for their own peoples in the future, in the present and in the future, because in the future something radically different must happen. And we have here something that is radically different, it's not against the law, it's nothing against the law, but it's radically different and it's practical and it works.
Richard: And you're thinking of people coming here and participating in our work and studying and getting involved in our social projects, involved with the residences. Yes,
Cláudia: they should apply, of course. We
Richard: should do like a selection and see who's coming for good purposes or not or just to take advantage because there could be people that want just to do tourism.
Cláudia: And this would not be the case.
We have courses, we have regular courses here. But there is a big chance for people to come and not needing thousands of dollars to come down to Brazil, as people need to go when they go to other countries.
Richard: What are you thinking, Bob? You're down here. This is kind of exciting, isn't it?
I believe the initial reason why I came was kind of exactly what Dr.
Cláudia spoke about. In reading Dr. Keppe's work, especially Decay of the American People, which when I first read, I was rather upset because I took it the wrong way. I felt that my country was being attacked, that I as an individual American was being attacked. So I decided to read it again, and I've said it before. When I read it, I found that it was a love story.
It was really a true appreciation of the founding fathers of our country, the ideals that they based the documents of our freedom. And unfortunately that over time, powerful people, politicians, who for no other reason, I think, were literally bought by the powerful people, began to change the true essence of those documents. And the country began to deteriorate. People began to invest their money in the stock market.
With the idea of achieving the American dream. Becoming an overnight millionaire. And many of those dreams, for a lot of people, unless you're extremely wealthy and powerful, those dreams are gone. Cities in our country, whether people want to admit it or not, and I'll say it again, and I've said it before, just go look up what's happened in Detroit, Michigan. Once the fourth largest city, now it's crumbling.
Drugs, depression, unemployment. I read one yesterday that said it's close to 30%. So if America's really doing so well, if it really is doing so well, I ask my fellow Americans, then why is a city like Detroit, Michigan, crumbling? Why are there states like the state of Illinois that literally are bankrupt, where people's pensions for the future, maybe because of greed in the early years, you know, to get things done, people won't have pensions.
Cláudia: So something will have to be done. And you know, Bob, trilogical enterprises and trilogical residences were meant to be able to handle this poverty that is to come. And people literally
can start these trilogical residences and enterprises within their own families
Cláudia: and can expand from there. So
the time really has come for people to really look within themselves the abilities that they have instead of being controlled and pushed and manipulated.
You know and
Cláudia: also depending on things that will never come to them or no come no more like they cannot rely upon um a social assistance. Yeah we can't rely
on social security. We
Cláudia: can't rely on medicare and medicaid. The politicians will say yes you can.
They're only telling us that because they want your vote. That's right. So this is
Richard: a new education here Cláudia.
This is a new education for this new millennium you're talking about. For
Cláudia: the new millennium. So we want to educate leaders for the new millennium, scientifically educate them, because this is a science, and it's a social science, economic science, psychosomatic, psychological. So it's everything people will need when the hard times hit, even harder and harder times will hit the planet. Even technology.
We are developing new technology here in STOP the Destruction of the World Association. Our engineers are working with engineers from Europe and also get together in order to develop a new technology. When
Richard: I think of the applications of Trilogy in practical areas, I see that it reaches everything. We have new type of journalism. We have new education, new technology, new health. Almost
Cláudia: with no investment.
Almost with no investment. When people come together and they put their pure action in action, their pure act, like they activate it, and so they can produce good things for themselves and society with no major investments, very small investments.
Richard: If people listening are really interested in this, Cláudia, they want to come here, what do they do? Well,
Cláudia: they have to write. Maybe they could write to you.
Richard: Joneshealing at
Cláudia: gmail.com. And then we will send them a form. Some sort
Richard: of form, yeah.
Cláudia: With some questions. Application
Richard: process. Well, application process, okay. And
Cláudia: see what they can do.
Richard: Marvelous, marvelous. This is new. Joneshealing at gmail.com. You can write me and we'll put you into the process for coming down here to study.
Cláudia: To study. And become a leader.
Richard: How
Cláudia: do you call a stage?
You.
Richard: This is like a training
Cláudia: program, trainee program, a practicum, actually where you're working inside. You have the theoretical part and the
Richard: practical. Exciting stuff, Cláudia.
That's our program for this week. And we'll talk to you next time on the Conscious Planet Radio Network. Richard Lloyd Jones, talk to you then. Bye-bye.
